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Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by manuelabeledo on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:40AM (#33080207)
Apple is part of the USB-IF. They also have pushed USB standards to consumers since the iMac. Hell, Apple participates of every single industrial forum they can benefit from.

Apple has moved on to USB-C for almost every other product they have. They know Lightning is old and insufficient, even for their iPad Air.

The only reason why Apple keeps Lightning around is for phones and some portable accessories, and the revenue from those, and their certifications, is not something they are willing to dismiss. Technically speaking, if you want something as simple as a cable, you have to go through Apple and their MFI program.

So here we are, with Apple holding the keys to every Lightning accessory, and also keeping a degree of control of USB-C.

If anything, the EU is trying to keep Apple honest.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by misnome on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:47AM (#33080297)
> The only reason why Apple keeps Lightning around is for phones and some portable accessories, and the revenue from those, and their certifications, is not something they are willing to dismiss. Technically speaking, if you want something as simple as a cable, you have to go through Apple and their MFI program.

The other way of viewing this is that by not switching (yet) they haven't created instant e-waste out of every cable and accessory manufactured in the past decade. USB-C didn't exist when they released the lightning cable, and they have clearly been migrating every other product over the past several years.

Seriously, you don't need to invent a conspiracy for every single move Apple makes.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by schmuelio on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:46AM (#33081145)
> The other way of viewing this is that by not switching (yet) they haven't created instant e-waste out of every cable and accessory manufactured in the past decade.

Well no time like the present since time is linear and unless they're going to stick with lightning _forever_ then they'll eventually have to create a bunch of e-waste.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by ragazzina on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:20AM (#33081626)
Not only this: the more they hold out, the more lightning cables they put in circulation.
Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by smoldesu on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:34PM (#33087315)
> Seriously, you don't need to invent a conspiracy for every single move Apple makes.

On the contrary, over-simplifying the motivations of a multi-trillion dollar corporation often leaves you as the fool.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by manuelabeledo on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @02:16PM (#33084460)
> Seriously, you don't need to invent a conspiracy for every single move Apple makes.

How is this a “conspiracy”? It is literally what they are doing with the MFI program.

If anything, the e-waste theory is less credible, as Apple have changed the iPad and MacBook charging ports three or four times in the past 12 years. They have also a long history of preventing third parties from fixing their products, latest of which is software locking of replacement parts.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by burlesona on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:54AM (#33080397)
This is not the reason. The reason is, the last time they changed ports (from 30pin to lightning) it created huge blowback from consumers who had lots of 30pin accessories that were no longer compatible, and even though lightning is FAR better people don’t like switching.

USB-C is not much different than lightning for charging / connecting a phone, so the blowback from consumers will be huge when all their accessories are no longer compatible with the next phone.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by manuelabeledo on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:34AM (#33080963)
> USB-C is not much different than lightning for charging / connecting a phone...

As far as I understand, there are no Lightning cables that support anything over 18W. Data transfer tops at 480Mbps, or roughly USB 2.0 speeds.

These are specs many other companies have surpassed several years ago.

> ... so the blowback from consumers will be huge when all their accessories are no longer compatible with the next phone.

Apple is the same company that went through 4 different charging connectors for their MacBook line, in about 15 years: MagSafe, MagSafe 2, USB-C, and now MagSafe 3. Their iPad line is 12 years old and has gone through 3 different connectors: 30-pin, Lightning, and USB-C.

I fail to see how this one would be different.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by matwood on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:45AM (#33081130)
There are orders of magnitude more iPhone/Lightning cable users in the world than Mac or iPad users.
Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by manuelabeledo on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:56AM (#33081303)
How many of those users have only an iPhone?

If the iPhone had an USB-C connector, I could pretty much carry a single cable and charger for my laptop, my tablet, and my phone. So unless there is zero overlap between iPhone users and users of anything else, the point is moot.

Even worse, Apple stopped bundling a charger with their phones over three years ago. Instead, they ship a Lightning to USB-C cable, but they bundle an USB-C charger only for a year after the release of the iPhone X, effectively forcing their customers to buy USB-C hardware anyway.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by matwood on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:16AM (#33081567)
Sure, you can now carry 1 less cable. That's a win, but it's not some monumental change people try to make it out to be. When I travel I will still carry multiple cables since I need to usually charge more than one device at a time. But now they can be the same cable.
Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by anikom15 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:40PM (#33088753)
They can be, but in practice you’ll want a cable capable of at least 60 W for the laptop. So now you either have to carry all the same high power cable (more expensive and wasteful) or give up on the benefit of having one type of cable to begin with.
Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by nulld3v on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:16AM (#33080723)
Meanwhile apple switched the connector for both their laptop and their iPad. So clearly they aren't afraid of blowback.
Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by pb7 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:55AM (#33081283)
iPhone sales are 10x that of iPad and MacBooks combined.
Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by nulld3v on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:01AM (#33081357)
But it's not like sales of the MacBook cratered after the switch to C. There was hardly a blip. So no blowback.
Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by pb7 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:28AM (#33081749)
You must not have been here for years that people whined about the MacBook getting rid of MagSafe and how it only had USB-C ports. How quickly we forget. "No blowback" is the completely opposite of the truth. Consumers aren't going to give a shit what some foreign government mandated, they're going to be pissed at Apple that they need to buy all new cables.
Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by manuelabeledo on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @12:22PM (#33082656)
> Consumers aren't going to give a shit what some foreign government mandated, they're going to be pissed at Apple that they need to buy all new cables.

For sure, but only if Apple wouldn't provide such cables, which they do.

Currently, cables bundled with iPhones are Lightning to USB-C. It has been like this for several years.

I suspect that the kind of person who would buy a new $1,000+ phone with an USB-C to USB-C cable in the box, and bitch and moan about the $30 worth of Lightning cables about to end in the trash, is the same who vociferously complain on the Internet and then still buy the next years version.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by nulld3v on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:42AM (#33082005)
I know there was some blowback online but the reality is that it was just a vocal minority, otherwise again, we would see the actual sales impact.
Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by ask_b123 on Friday October 07, 2022 @05:04PM (#33126836)
My impression has always been that, at least online, there was quite a bit of criticism to Apple for switching to USB-C so soon. Or was it because now dongles were needed?
Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by manuelabeledo on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:59AM (#33081327)
iPhones have come without chargers for a few years now.

Ironically enough, they come with a Lightning to USB-C cable. Users would need to buy their own USB-C chargers anyway.

And here we are, arguing about cables.

Re:EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024 by philjohn on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:37AM (#33081016)
Except lightning also still operates at USB 2.0 speeds - so if you don't want to trust Apple with your data in iCloud backups (which as it's not E2EE encrypted is foolhardy, plus you have to pay for a higher tier for any phone with more than 5GB of personal data) it takes an absolute age.