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Re:The 'attention economy' corrupts science by Retric on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:14AM (#33079855)
Many of your examples don’t seem to fit fame. People may be known locally, but fame requires someone to be widely known which implies a wide geographic range.

Put another way, at what level is the winner of a beauty contest famous? I don’t think people would universally agree except at the extremes. Miss America is famous, the winner of a spring break wet T-shirt contest isn’t barring something unusual happening.

Re:The 'attention economy' corrupts science by ghaff on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:00AM (#33080501)
>Miss America is famous,

Is Miss America even famous these days? I sure couldn't name one--though perhaps I'd recognize names from years past.

I tend to agree that if you go back a number of decades more local people were probably fairly well-known locally but I'm not sure I'd put the top guy at the Elks Lodge in the "famous" category. Draw a small enough circle in geography or niche interest and a lot of people are notable to some degree.

Re:The 'attention economy' corrupts science by Retric on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:49AM (#33081205)
I think they are famous in the same way Nobel prize winners are very well known within their branch of the scientific community.

In both cases they easily qualify for a Wikipedia page though I doubt most people can name last years winners.

Re:The 'attention economy' corrupts science by ghaff on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:29AM (#33081776)
To some degree, of course, it's because fame/notability in the Miss America case isn't really separable from relatively reliable third-party sources (though I wouldn't put a lot of money down on whatever life story agents and PR people have concocted). The same tends to be true of actors, pro athletes, and politicians above some minimal level. Even senior company executives and academics may not have much written about them.
Re:The 'attention economy' corrupts science by eesmith on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:03AM (#33081380)
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/famous#Adjective gives this counter-example:

  2. In the public eye.

    Some people are only famous within their city.
A DDG search for examples easily finds things like:

"Throughout Newberry’s long history, there has been an accumulative list of memorable and locally famous people. Machinist and inventor, Reginald S. “Reg” Ruggles was one of them.", at https://mynewberrynews.com/community/newberrys-machinist-and... :

"Most of the letters ended with a PS containing one of Aunt Agatha's aphorisms, which became famous throughout the county" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Grapes