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Re:Why Men Are Hard to Help by gtowey on Saturday October 01, 2022 @02:32PM (#33048806)
The thing is, I think we are just in a time of social rediscovery. Everything seems chaotic because there were a lot of repressed people in society who are just now finding the freedom not to hide themselves. Nobody really knows what it means to integrate all these new elements and we are trying to figure it out. Combined with larger geopolitical issues like economic inequality, immigration and climate change it seems like the whole world in in turmoil.

My point is that I feel like it's not necessary to hold these groups to the standard of being logically consistent and rational all the time. The movements are still in their infancy. They will make mistakes. It's all experimental right now. We will figure it out, but it may take generations so the best thing to do is just relax and be supportive.

Re:Why Men Are Hard to Help by georgeburdell on Saturday October 01, 2022 @03:16PM (#33049168)
Not sure why you’re downvoted so hard, but I absolutely agree that we are in a transitional state and so inconsistencies can exist (but not persist). Eventually, modern feminism will need to figure out how to empower women and convert (or create) more to sustain the movement. Otherwise, the default appears to be some form of religious fundamentalism.

The society I can think of that has made the most progress is Israel, as it is modern but also has a TFR of 3 and generally is an outlier on plots of TFR and GDP per capita

Re:Why Men Are Hard to Help by luckylion on Saturday October 01, 2022 @03:53PM (#33049456)
> We will figure it out, but it may take generations so the best thing to do is just relax and be supportive.

This sounds weird to me, like "support damaging behavior because that's how people find themselves". Because, after all, damaging behavior is what this thread is about. Sure, maybe someone will grow out of being an ass, but maybe they won't. If you support them "no matter what" instead of calling them out, you're prolonging that behavior.

Re:Why Men Are Hard to Help by CrazyPyroLinux on Saturday October 01, 2022 @04:11PM (#33049634)
> it's not necessary to hold these groups to the standard of being logically consistent and rational all the time

Not that we can't forgive and make mistakes, but aiming for other than "being logically consistent and rational" is likely a road to Hell, or rudderless at best.

Re:Why Men Are Hard to Help by Bancakes on Sunday October 02, 2022 @03:38AM (#33053810)
They are actively teaching and promoting said freedoms to children. Its not just chain breaking but also bias building.