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Re:Select * from cloud by matwood on Saturday October 01, 2022 @08:38AM (#33046154)
I've been using SQL for ~25 years and don't think the ergonomics are nearly as bad as people say. In your example the insert is done that way for good reason.

I know people hate listing the fields before the tables, but when I deal with data that's how I tend to think. I need X, Y, Z, now where do I get it from and do I need to filter.

From a vendor standpoint, it can take time getting new standards implemented, but it's definitely not half. One of the big issues here is that MySQL was and still is in some ways woefully inadequate. It's shortcomings are also often make people think they are relational database shortcomings in general.

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