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Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by orangecat on Friday September 30, 2022 @04:56PM (#33040684)
Ok, but France exists.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by fweimer on Friday September 30, 2022 @05:13PM (#33040883)
EDF has recently been re-nationalized, and has always been under strong government influence. It's not a good example of a civilian/free market nuclear power plant operator.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by franckl on Friday September 30, 2022 @05:52PM (#33041283)
Careful, the renationalization is due to a lot of factors, the main one is that the EU forced EDF to sell its nuclear eneegy at a loss to private energy providerd in order to "free the market". Look for ARENH if you would like to learn more (quick Google https://www.nusconsulting.com/energy-blog/arenh-reform-could...)
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by fweimer on Saturday October 01, 2022 @08:17AM (#33046049)
I didn't mean to imply that nationalization happened because nuclear power isn't commercially viable. The French situation was special even before full nationalization.

I really doubt ARENH is the problem because as far as I understand it, it only applies to EDF's existing nuclear power plants. At 42 EUR/MWh wholesale, those plants should still make a tidy profit. Apparently, too few of them were actually running last year, and the French government imposed further price restrictions that also affected resale of energy that EDF purchased elsewhere at market prices (not coming from EDF's own nuclear fleet or its other power plants).

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by dboreham on Friday September 30, 2022 @05:21PM (#33040963)
Electricity generation in the US isn't "under strong government influence"?
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by fweimer on Friday September 30, 2022 @05:32PM (#33041076)
I wasn't talking about regulation. EDF's relationship with the French government goes well beyond that.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by megaman821 on Friday September 30, 2022 @04:58PM (#33040710)
I doubt Americans would be happy paying what France pays for electricity (both directly and government aid).
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by psd1 on Saturday October 01, 2022 @04:27AM (#33044999)
Right, but non-monetary negative outcomes are swept under the rug.

It costs nothing for fossil plant operators to pump carbon and sulphur into the atmosphere; that's why it takes regulation to make them install scrubbers. Scrubbers help, but don't prevent the outcome.

The outcome can be measured in human deaths and loss of arable land. That cost is hidden.

The "free market" is a grim joke while these costs can be ignored.

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by oceanplexian on Friday September 30, 2022 @06:26PM (#33041568)
I mean, if the choice is expensive electricity and rolling blackouts because the entire country relied on unreliable sources of energy, I'd take the former. The best energy source is one that's robust and dependable, not one that's theoretically cheaper in some ideal circumstances.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by layer8 on Friday September 30, 2022 @06:48PM (#33041729)
An important motivation for France to invest in nuclear technology is that they want to remain a nuclear weapons state.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by jjoonathan on Friday September 30, 2022 @05:00PM (#33040730)
Also 20% of the US's electric grid for the last 30 years.