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Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by legitster on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:12PM (#33037589)
I mean, if you have an attitude that anything an organization does must be for an ulterior motive, you're always going to get what you are looking for. Heck, people too for that matter. Maybe my dog just pretends to love me to get food.

But in this case, Microsoft is looking for any competitive advantage against Google. They won't win on targeting, and they still make more money selling software than ads. So this does seem like an easy win for them.

Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by hamburglar on Friday September 30, 2022 @03:29PM (#33039581)
> if you have an attitude that anything an organization does must be for an ulterior motive …

Well in the case where they are spending a lot of money to implement and operate a feature that nobody asked for and which has obvious privacy downsides, it does seem worthwhile to examine their motives. It’s not like we’re responding to the announcement for the next model of the Microsoft ergonomic keyboard with “hmmm, what are they up to?”

Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by nearbuy on Friday September 30, 2022 @06:53PM (#33041767)
> obvious privacy downsides

What is the obvious privacy downside of selectively enabling a Cloudflare VPN when browsing on public Wifi or unsecured sites (which is when it enables)? That Cloudflare can see what sites you visit?

On public Wifi and unsecured sites, anyone could potentially see and modify the data anyway.

Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by hamburglar on Saturday October 01, 2022 @08:12AM (#33046021)
The privacy issue is obvious. If my browser is funneling all of its traffic through a specific VPN instead of letting my system handle it, I have to wonder whether that choice was based on the VPN operator wanting to see my data or cooperating with someone who does.

This is like finding out Microsoft decided all internet traffic on windows should be proxied through their servers. Could there be a benefit? Yes. Does it raise serious questions? Most definitely.

Re:Microsoft bakes a VPN into Edge and turns it on by nearbuy on Sunday October 02, 2022 @06:15PM (#33060879)
> If my browser is funneling all of its traffic through a specific VPN instead of letting my system handle it

It's not. According to the article, it only funnels insecure traffic through the Cloudflare VPN (eg, to a site with an invalid certificate). And this doesn't prevent you from using your own VPN as well.

If you're connecting to a site over HTTP, and the packet takes 10 hops to get there, that's 10 machines that can see who you're connecting to and what data you're sending. Including, in all likelihood, a major CDN like Cloudflare. Also including anyone on the same public Wifi network. This data was never kept private to begin with.

If you're connecting over HTTPS with a valid certificate, the VPN isn't used. Even if it were though, they couldn't see your data. It's encrypted.