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Re:I Visited Bucha Today by hbrn on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:57PM (#33030352)
I have yet to see evidence that Ukrainian military has more neo-nazis than any other military in the world. Or even more than Russian military.

You do realize that nazis are militaristic by nature, so having them join military is not surprising at all?

Plenty of russian neo-nazis have been openly participating in Russo-Ukrainian conflict since 2014, noone supporting Russian side seems to bat an eye.

Here's just one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group

Or maybe take a close look at Wagner Group founder tattoos: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvQaxRgXAAAKEWt.jpg

Those aren't convenient Nazis, are they?

Re:I Visited Bucha Today by nosuchthing on Friday September 30, 2022 @03:31AM (#33032032)
Ukrainian government has been renaming their streets to honor nazis like Stephan Bandera.

https://youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5OzBa8ntEns

Here's Biletsky (the founder) in March saying Azov had at least 40,000 fighters. https://www.ft.com/content/7191ec30-9677-423d-873c-e72b64725...

Here's a list of Azov units incorporated into the military, including 5 battalions and 2 regiments. https://militaryland.net/news/the-units-of-azov/

Azov also includes organizations not officially part of the military including Centuria (formerly the National Militia) and Youth Corp.

Azov is also not the only Nazi militia, there's Aidar, the child rapists of the Tornado battalion (freed by Zelensky) and many more.

Re:I Visited Bucha Today by tim333 on Friday September 30, 2022 @05:16PM (#33040907)
Without nit picking too much, one side has a dictator for life type rolling tanks into their peaceful neighbours, running torture chambers, butchering thousands of civilians, doing mass deportations etc. and the other is mostly peaceful run by a Jewish former comedian elected democratically. Which of those sounds more like the old Hitler Nazis?

I don't think details like - oh they changed some street name, really changes that.

Re:I Visited Bucha Today by hbrn on Friday September 30, 2022 @11:32AM (#33036249)
> Here's Biletsky (the founder) in March saying Azov had at least 40,000 fighters

"Having started as a militia of just over 300 troops, “there are (now) scores of thousands” of Azov fighters, said Biletsky, who in 2008 co-founded the Social-National Assembly, a grouping of the most extreme nationalist Ukrainian political parties. Most are fighting within Ukraine’s territorial defence units, including more than 1,000 in Kharkiv, he said. The interior ministry did not comment on the figures."

Have you confused "scores of thousands" with 40,000? Or are you just blatantly lying hoping people won't go beyond the paywall?

I can buy that most of it's members were far-right when it was founded.

But labelling all their members as nazis years after it was incorporated into regular military is a shameless manipulation.

Re:I Visited Bucha Today by lawn on Thursday September 29, 2022 @11:26PM (#33030529)
> A democratic country that shells its own civilians for 7 years

Do you also believe the ridiculous claim that the torture chambers that were uncovered were planted by Ukraine? And the mass graves?

> and allows neonazi groups in its military?

Have you heard of the Wagner group? Russian military openly carries nazi symbols, yet Ukraine is the Nazis?

Russian propaganda is just ridiculous if you stop and think for a second.

Re:I Visited Bucha Today by tim333 on Friday September 30, 2022 @05:19PM (#33040933)
I guess these are the civilians led by Igor Girkin who launched the BUK missile that took down the Malaysian Airlines jet perhaps?
Re:I Visited Bucha Today by _kbh_ on Thursday September 29, 2022 @11:29PM (#33030556)
> A democratic country that shells its own civilians for 7 years and allows neonazi groups in its military?

There’s Neo Nazis in Ukraine actively involved in combat right now. The Russian Neo Nazi PMC Wagner, good thing Russia is so bad at war though, a lot of these Neo Nazis have been thoroughly denazified.

I’m sorry but I find it hard to believe that the country that is raping and torturing adults and children in Ukraine and committing genocide against the Ukrainian people are the “good guys”.

> Russia is just as democratic if not more so than Ukraine.

Russia has had one leader for the past 30 years, in that time Ukraine managed to oust out a large amount of the Soviet Era corruption that present day Russia forced upon them.

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Re:I Visited Bucha Today by _kbh_ on Friday September 30, 2022 @01:38AM (#33031374)
> Russia is not good. Ukrainian oligarchs are not good either.

Russia doesn’t even have a transfer of power to different leaders from elections, Ukraine does.