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Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by scifibestfi on Thursday September 29, 2022 @12:19PM (#33022813)
No they were not. Their geolocation and battery technology means it wasn't feasible regardless. It was sabotaged to begin with. No other efforts needed.

https://zeihan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/13-globalwinds...

Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by j-pb on Thursday September 29, 2022 @01:02PM (#33023680)
Location? Germany has huge amounts of wind, especially in offshore. Your own map even shows this. We also have plenty of solar, enough that the conservatives introduced a solar installation LIMIT to keep fossil fuel and nuclear competitive.

As for storage, with large enough over-capacity it's really easy to retrofit old coal plants to work off head capacitors, and we have plenty of those.

It's just no good if there is no political will to do it. And the "nuclear narrative" is one of the whataboutisms together with "breakthrough hydrogen tech" to distract from the solutions that are cheaply implementable today.

Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by origin_path on Thursday September 29, 2022 @01:20PM (#33024024)
The idea that this is just a matter of political will is nonsensical in the extreme, it's impossible to understand how anyone can believe this except via massive propaganda. Here's a graph of German solar/wind power production:

https://energy-charts.info/charts/power/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&...

Notice how it frequently drops to near zero. For example the morning of the 22nd where total wind+solar production in Germany was just 1.34 GW. Peak load in Germany often reaches 65-70 GW.

The people saying renewables cannot work and power must come from coal, gas or nuclear aren't evil conservatives, they are rational people who understand what renewables can and cannot do. The fact that the left systematically refuses to accept this reality is now not only destroying the European economy but flat out endangering lives. How long must the rest of us put up with this sort of rampant irrationality?

Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by j-pb on Thursday September 29, 2022 @03:55PM (#33026207)
You accuse other of irrationality, yet you prop up a straw-man that's been debunked over and over again.

Nobody argues that renewables deliver peak power all of the time. The goal is to have enough capacity and intermediary storage to be able to deliver constant peak power with both combined.

The current economic situation would be much better had we spend all our money on renewables and storage instead of nuclear and gas, which ultimately end up fueling the very regimes that give us trouble e.g. saudi arabia, iran, russia, instead conservatives implemented arbitrary constraints like the solar cap and maximum wind farm distance.

Solar is already the cheapest form of energy per watt produced, investing into any other technology than the cheapest and most sustainable one is what's irrational.

Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by origin_path on Friday September 30, 2022 @10:04AM (#33034970)
"The goal is to have enough capacity and intermediary storage to be able to deliver constant peak power with both combined."

But this is an irrational goal because there is no way to do that intermediary storage on the scale that is required, and as I just pointed out, wind and solar are frequently yielding nearly zero power even when summed together. In your other comments you're talking about pressurized air caverns and other things that are sci-fi projects right now but the crisis Germany is causing with its policies is here today.

This is why greenism is irrational. We're not talking about theoretically perfect power grids here, we're talking about what technologies exist today, to deliver the kind of stability required for a trans-national grid. Renewables aren't even close to this and there's no sign of that changing on the horizon. The refusal to accept that is now more than just annoying, it's becoming flat out dangerous.

Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by j-pb on Friday September 30, 2022 @04:25PM (#33040306)
All of the tech I mentioned is either operating in pilot studies or full scale systems. Both combined as in renewables + storage, not wind + solar.

You got way too much set phrases and trite political cliches going on for any meaningful discussion.

Solar, wind and storage are here today, they are cheaper than coal, nuclear and gas, even WITHOUT externalised costs of climate change, and long term storage.

The people that are dangerous are the ones that want to make energy politics a political game, and those that want to make as much personal profit from it as possible.

Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by retinaros on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:26PM (#33026655)
there is no storage capability that would allow europe to work on renewable it doesnt scale just look at how your storage batteries are made! look ar how lithium is harvested please…
Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by j-pb on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:49PM (#33026991)
Theres plenty of other ways to store energy.

Insulated thermal for example is extremely cheap and can be retrofitted to existing power plants. All you need is a insulated steel vessel filled with something inert when heated, e.g. sand. If you want to go real fancy you could use quicklime, that could be used both as a bulk heat store and additonally releases more energy in it's hydration bonds than lithium ion batteries.

You can actually run a surprising amount of existing coal plants on iron dust, which when burned becomes iron oxide, which can then be recycled to metalic iron.

Northern germany has many salt caverns which can be used as pressurised air storage.

Southern germany also has huge pumped hydro storage potentials.

Batteries are one storage technology, there are plenty others, far cheaper if you just want bulk and dont't care about space.

Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by stingraycharles on Thursday September 29, 2022 @11:34AM (#33022139)
Not trying to argue with you, just trying to understand as someone from a neighboring country — could you elaborate a bit more about what happened with the Conservative Party undermining the green energy effort? And how close would Germany realistically have been to being completely self-sufficient by now if that didn’t happen?
Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by chess_buster on Thursday September 29, 2022 @11:53AM (#33022411)
Many things:

* Blocked Biogas by imposing a limit on installed capacity

* blocked solar by imposing a limit on yearly added installed capacity (1GW)

* introduced the so called EEG-Umlage that made storage technologies unprofitable when used to store renewable energy

* introduced a shitshow of bureaucracy to prevent new solar and wind projects from coming online

* introduced another shitshow of bureaucracy to prevent new solar and wind projects from coming online on top of the existing shitshow

* undermine EU law by just not implementing it, for example regarding neighbours giving energy to each other

* introduced redicoulus "Abstandsregeln"/distance regulations, so for example open pit mines that use demolitions have an allowed min distance of 300m and windfarms 1000m

* When China poured billions into the companies forming China's solar industry, while German's companies had no help with their investments and funding

the list goes on and on and on and on...

Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by usrusr on Thursday September 29, 2022 @12:06PM (#33022611)
Realistically: not close at all. But significantly less close: in the last few years, German renewable buildup per capita effectively collapsed. Expressed in the most German units imaginable, buildup dropped from "world champion" to "failed to qualify for the tournament". Part of it is certainly caused by running out of low-hanging fruits, but yay can't be the only explanation.
Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by throw827474737 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @11:52AM (#33022404)
Blocking wind power and grid efforts everywhere, stopping planned storage efforts, man we even shut down pump storages etc over the last decades that would be so necessary to have any chance to support and realize base load with renewables. Right now we are shedding cheap bio gas and wind power production again (and that given we build up much too little as we could have) while the power stock exchanges have fun gambling.

On top this constant nuclear narrative, which is not even much significant for current power production, this is all beyond any funny.

Google translate those for few alternstive povs:

https://www.klimareporter.de/strom/deutschland-fackelt-gas-a...

https://www.makawind.de/index.php?show=news

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Pumpspeicherkraftw...

Re:Europe braces for mobile network blackouts by chess_buster on Thursday September 29, 2022 @11:55AM (#33022454)
Oh yeah, I forgot. All of that, too.

And this is the look of the politician in question https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Peter_Al...