News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by jimmaswell on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @09:42PM (#33003356)
I would absolutely never work anywhere that required webcams on. Maybe for the interview but that's it.
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by sumedh on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @09:47PM (#33003390)
Why not?
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by jimmaswell on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:28PM (#33003934)
It's invasive and draining. I'd have to worry about looking like I'm paying attention the whole time, couldn't do dishes or anything like that, I'd have to make sure I'm wearing something work appropriate (no going shirtless), and I'd have to be careful about what I put in my surroundings.
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by dalyons on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:37PM (#33003973)
You would never put it on? I think it’s fine if you turn it off because it’s a huge call or you’re occasionally doing the dishes or whatever, but always off is disrespectful to your colleagues imho.
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by jimmaswell on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @10:00AM (#33008040)
At my company nobody turns the cameras on in the first place. I don't see any value they would add to a meeting, only distraction.
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by dalyons on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @01:04PM (#33010345)
i mean ok, if thats the culture at your workplace, thats what it is. However, if you cant see the extra human engagement, social/communication cues, and generally increased feeling of attentiveness and respect that watching a speaker's actual human face brings, vs audio only... then i dont know what more to say. If you're just some passive listener in a large group call then yeah, whatever. But small groups, 1/1s, etc cameras on is absolutely adding value, even if you personally don't see it.
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by BeetleB on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @01:29PM (#33010664)
> However, if you cant see the extra human engagement, social/communication cues, and generally increased feeling of attentiveness and respect that watching a speaker's actual human face brings

I think his concern, along with several others, is that you are seeing a lot of things that aren't there. As I said in another thread, visual cues are a great source of misinterpretation and misunderstanding. Being aware that people can't see you can certainly improve your verbal communication skills.

Our company has offices in several countries, and long before the pandemic it was a given (part of new employee training) to not rely on these cues.

Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by dalyons on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @10:06PM (#33015551)
I guess the multi-cultural misunderstanding is an angle I hadn’t considered. However, if you’re not operating in that context (multinational with big cultural/ language differences) I’m not sure why you would pick the lowest common denominator and choose the lower bandwidth, less engaging, less human way of collaborating.
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by BeetleB on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @10:14PM (#33015607)
> However, if you’re not operating in that context (multinational with big cultural/ language differences)

If you're operating in the US, it is still multicultural. As a simple example, about 40% of the US is introverted, yet most strongly extroverted people have little understanding of the differences. And they very often misread the facial expressions of introverts.

> I’m not sure why you would pick the lowest common denominator and choose the lower bandwidth, less engaging, less human way of collaborating.

In all these threads, you've failed to understand the low signal to noise ratio that video brings. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but comes with a thousand more falsehoods than words do.

As an example, where I work, meetings are a heck of a lot better than when we used to have them in person at work. The few that insist otherwise are simply unwilling to accept that they have not adapted, and the problems lie with them, and not with the format.