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Re:Ask HN: How to Compete with Cloudflare by YurgenJurgensen on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @04:02PM (#33000389)
...all evidence of which was on the very website which they rendered inaccessible. So now that it's gone, all we have is their word.
Re:Ask HN: How to Compete with Cloudflare by johnklos on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @04:06PM (#33000444)
Are you serious?

This has got to be the dumbest attempt to legitimize Kiwifarms I've seen yet.

Re:Ask HN: How to Compete with Cloudflare by throwawayallday on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @06:22PM (#33001905)
>Are you serious?

Yes? They also convinced web archives to delete their backups of Kiwifarms so we're not able to verify any claims.

Re:Ask HN: How to Compete with Cloudflare by hoppyhoppy2 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @07:56PM (#33002703)
"They" the anti-KF activists, sure. I haven't heard that Cloudflare had anything to do with the pressure campaign on archive.org; do you have a source for that?
Re:Ask HN: How to Compete with Cloudflare by omg_ponies on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @04:39PM (#33000814)
If only there was a way to keep copies of web pages
Re:Ask HN: How to Compete with Cloudflare by YurgenJurgensen on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @05:09PM (#33001162)
Such as? Archive.org has nothing for Kiwifarms.
Re:Ask HN: How to Compete with Cloudflare by Zababa on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @08:39PM (#33002984)
Making archives yourself? 4chan has a constant rotating cast of archive websites, with custom software developed. Internet is not only archive.org and cloudflare. You're a user too, you could make archives. Rejecting the responsibility on two big entities is just too easy.
Re:Ask HN: How to Compete with Cloudflare by YurgenJurgensen on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:13AM (#33004757)
I'm not a user, although it's telling that you assumed I was. I barely even knew they existed until this incident appeared on HN. How am I supposed to know that Cloudflare's response was justified? Given all the bad things Cloudflare turns a blind eye to, this particular thing must be extraordinarily bad, and you know what people say about extraordinary claims.
Re:Ask HN: How to Compete with Cloudflare by Zababa on Saturday October 01, 2022 @06:32AM (#33045518)
> I'm not a user, although it's telling that you assumed I was.

I wasn't clear here, I meant user of internet in general. What I mean is that while your response may be justified, in reality archiving is a complex thing and forgetting/stuff disappearing is the default. Unless you actively fight against it (for example by archiving, but also personally like using spaced repetition for remembering stuff), you will forget, things will disappear. Lots of people are putting a lot of time and energy to try to remember more stuff, and some to try to forget/make people forget stuff. What may look like a decision by a big company is a constant war fought by people with vastly different opinions and values on what matters. If you consider something is worth preserving, you should try to contribute in your own way.

It's small, but I personally save web pages that I like, music that I like, movies that I like, so they can't just disappear on me.

Re:Ask HN: How to Compete with Cloudflare by variadix on Thursday September 29, 2022 @06:00AM (#33018423)
The irony