Re:Only Persistent LogIn
by godelski on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @12:31AM
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1) So why force it upon people? Moreso, best privacy policies means you should minimize the amount that the user needs to do. People make mistakes. You're supposed to make mistakes harder to make, not easier. The more methodical you have to be, the less privacy preserving your product is. I'm apologize, but this sounds like gymnastics to justify the outcome. Maybe you don't care about privacy? Maybe you think us privacy concerned people are nuts? But welcome to HN and welcome to the world where data privacy advocates are starting to make wins. But your argument comes off as "well sucks for you, you should have done better." A victim's actions may contribute to the danger they are in, but at the end of the day that's not the issue. The issue is that they are a victim and why this kind of discourse comes off as victim blaming.
2) Again, security practices should simplify not complexify. More complexity less security. Why force this on people? Why victim blame? Try to make fewer victims, not more.
3) Because Google (and others) are using this login method as a means of centralization and standardization. As you are breaking away from Google you're probably seeing that it isn't trivial and that there are a lot of things you lose because of it (despite HN users often saying roll your own email or saying that email is very decentralized). I would argue that Google has some blame for the difficulties to wean yourself off of them. They created a platform with the explicit intent to make it burdensome to leave. That's not ensuring competition is abundant within our communities. (3 is all big picture stuff but this does matter. I have examples if you care)
4) I get your point, but I think there's a middle ground. The bigger problem is that it is difficult to use other services. There are also websites that don't allow me to log in through any other means. (I only use the Google sign-on for a singular website which does this).
I do not feel it is okay to just dismiss these issues outright. I have the right to criticize the framework. You have the right to disagree. Google has the right to ignore my complaints/critiques. But you're not really disagreeing with my comments so much as dismissing them. Effective communication does require us to discuss in good faith with one another.
2) Again, security practices should simplify not complexify. More complexity less security. Why force this on people? Why victim blame? Try to make fewer victims, not more.
3) Because Google (and others) are using this login method as a means of centralization and standardization. As you are breaking away from Google you're probably seeing that it isn't trivial and that there are a lot of things you lose because of it (despite HN users often saying roll your own email or saying that email is very decentralized). I would argue that Google has some blame for the difficulties to wean yourself off of them. They created a platform with the explicit intent to make it burdensome to leave. That's not ensuring competition is abundant within our communities. (3 is all big picture stuff but this does matter. I have examples if you care)
4) I get your point, but I think there's a middle ground. The bigger problem is that it is difficult to use other services. There are also websites that don't allow me to log in through any other means. (I only use the Google sign-on for a singular website which does this).
I do not feel it is okay to just dismiss these issues outright. I have the right to criticize the framework. You have the right to disagree. Google has the right to ignore my complaints/critiques. But you're not really disagreeing with my comments so much as dismissing them. Effective communication does require us to discuss in good faith with one another.