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Re:Only Persistent LogIn by jedberg on Monday September 26, 2022 @09:28PM (#32990713)
Yesterday I was trying to look up my coinbase balance. I didn't have the app on my phone so I had to log in via mobile web.

It took so long the conversation was over before I had my answer. I had to do 2-factor auth, then another verification, then click a link in my email.

I understand why they do it, because the alternative is a lot of stolen accounts. But there must be a decent middle ground here.

Re:Only Persistent LogIn by reidjs on Monday September 26, 2022 @10:00PM (#32990866)
That’s one of the few places where I think it’s totally understandable to have an annoyingly secure login
Re:Only Persistent LogIn by jedberg on Monday September 26, 2022 @10:04PM (#32990885)
I suppose, but if I already entered the code from my authenticator app is having me click on an email going to make it more secure? If they have my authenticator app then they've already totally owned me anyway.

Sending an email as a notification would serve the same purpose.

Re:Only Persistent LogIn by abentspoon on Monday September 26, 2022 @11:34PM (#32991303)
> is having me click on an email going to make it more secure?

We implemented this at Mercury recently to stop phishing attacks, and I believe Coinbase implemented it for the same reason [1].

TOTP authenticators are super ineffective at combating phishing. If a user is willing to give their email and password to a phishing site, there's very little standing in the way of them also providing their TOTP code.

WebAuthn solves this by working with the browser to tie authentication to a particular domain, but not everyone has a WebAuthn authenticator yet.

Meanwhile, email verification links are a really simple and effective way to shut down these phishing attacks. The phisher can't click the links, because they don't have access to the user's email. The user can't click the links on behalf of the phisher, because clicking the link only verifies the device that clicks the link.

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rp9o4/beware_coin...

Re:Only Persistent LogIn by iosguyryan on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:12AM (#32991753)
Well put
Re:Only Persistent LogIn by saurik on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:37AM (#32991845)
> If a user is willing to give their email and password to a phishing site...

> The phisher can't click the links, because they don't have access to the user's email.

Something here doesn't add up.

Re:Only Persistent LogIn by alexchamberlain on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @02:00AM (#32991960)
A phisher can have access to a victim's email address without have access to their emails.
Re:Only Persistent LogIn by saurik on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @03:30AM (#32992445)
Oh, I hadn't read that as merely having the e-mail address and password to the site, but having the password to the e-mail account. I get it now. Though, it still irks me that we are now up to 3 factor authentication--password, TOTP, and e-mail--under the premise that the user is too dumb to secure 2 factors, and yet somehow is smart enough to secure the third one.
Re:Only Persistent LogIn by addingnumbers on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @08:48AM (#32994632)
> If they have my authenticator app then they've already totally owned me anyway.

Seems like that is the problem they're trying to improve by using 3FA instead of 2FA.

Re:Only Persistent LogIn by loloquwowndueo on Monday September 26, 2022 @09:32PM (#32990729)
Have conversations with people who are more patient? :)