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Re:Ask HN: Why don’t companies offer a strike price of $0.01... by api on Monday September 26, 2022 @07:21PM (#32989906)
The whole system of option pricing and taxation is incredibly perverse. Why not just tax when liquidity is realized and cash is in the bank?
Re:Ask HN: Why don’t companies offer a strike price of $0.01... by nostrademons on Monday September 26, 2022 @10:16PM (#32990934)
I agree with you, but I'll point out that there are a lot of voices today arguing to tax stocks, crypto, and other property the way stock options are today (eg. wealth tax; tax on crypto->crypto exchanges; proposed tax on unrealized capital gains). The idea that your wealth can increase without you being taxed on it seems to be very unpopular with the general population. Come to think of it, I wonder if the reason for taxing stock options the way they are is because otherwise there'd be a strong incentive to pay in stock rather than cash, and then everyone would be paying capital gains taxes instead of income, and then there'd be a strong call to tax capital gains at the same rates as income and the wealthy & powerful would not enjoy that.
Re:Ask HN: Why don’t companies offer a strike price of $0.01... by s1artibartfast on Monday September 26, 2022 @10:41PM (#32991050)
Devils advocate: you are getting you something of value.

What if your company payed you with 1,000 lotto tickets. Do you pay taxes on that only if you win?

Options have a market value so they are compensation

Re:Ask HN: Why don’t companies offer a strike price of $0.01... by api on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @06:46AM (#32993643)
Yeah, only if you win. Otherwise there isn’t any value. Do you pay taxes on a pat on the back?
Re:Ask HN: Why don’t companies offer a strike price of $0.01... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @06:56AM (#32993704)
Options and lotto tickets obviously have value. Options cost money to purchase on an stock exchange.
Re:Ask HN: Why don’t companies offer a strike price of $0.01... by api on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @07:30AM (#32993954)
You’re technically correct.

The problem really is that taxing unrealized gains is regressive. The rich can afford to pay these taxes and thus can get and benefit from assets like options. The poor cannot and would therefore be cut out. In a regime where all options are taxed as income less wealthy startup employees for example would be cut out of exit gains.

As is usually the case those who want to soak the rich end up soaking the middle class or reducing class mobility while leaving the already rich largely untouched.

Re:Ask HN: Why don’t companies offer a strike price of $0.01... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:49PM (#32998678)
I agree it makes no sense to tax unrealized gains. however, receiving stock itself is a gain.

If I gifted you 1000 shares of Apple today, that would be a gain for you. It would also be the basis cost for any future sale.

Similarly, if I payed you with 10kg of gold, or a house, or land, it makes sense to tax that transfer event, not just if you sell for cash.

In short, it makes sense to test asset transfers, but not appreciation while you hold it.

I do agree with a tax deferment for asset transfers where there is no resale market like pre IPO stocks or options. Post IPO is a different story.