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Re:Zero Trust SIM by axg11 on Monday September 26, 2022 @10:24AM (#32983505)
SIMs were/are also issued by carriers? You have to go through carriers either way. You're using their network.
Re:Zero Trust SIM by ajsnigrutin on Monday September 26, 2022 @11:18AM (#32984252)
You got a sim and you put it in any phone you wanted. Now every time you switch a phone, you have to contact your carrier and possibly even get charged for the change.

If you travel a lot, you just buy a prepaid sim card in whatever country you're in, and put it in a phone, then leave the country, take the sim out and use another sim in that country. Some new phones (notably the new iphone, us version) don't even have a sim card slot anymore.

Re:Zero Trust SIM by selykg on Monday September 26, 2022 @11:25AM (#32984351)
> Now every time you switch a phone, you have to contact your carrier and possibly even get charged for the change.

This depends on the carrier.

I use US Mobile. In their app, there's a very simple button on each line's screen to transfer the eSim to another phone. I converted my physical sim to eSim on my iPhone XS before the iPhone 14 came out a couple weeks back. When I got my iPhone 14 I was able to transfer the sim to my new phone in about 30 seconds.

The ONLY gotcha here is you do need internet access to make this work, so that is one thing to keep in mind. But it's super easy to do and I really don't see a majority of the complaints around how easy it is being legitimate. I suspect many of you haven't actually used eSims before.

Re:Zero Trust SIM by nikau on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @04:30AM (#32992852)
Can you transfer the eSIM if the source device is broken?
Re:Zero Trust SIM by selykg on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @11:26AM (#33009077)
Presumably that would require calling your provider to do. But depending on how your source device was broken, even with a physical sim that might be required.
Re:Zero Trust SIM by nikau on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @07:34PM (#33014564)
I mean a big benefit of a physical sim card is you can quickly swap it out of a broken device...
Re:Zero Trust SIM by lxgr on Monday September 26, 2022 @11:36AM (#32984497)
Or you just use a carrier that allows re-scanning eSIM activation codes. Then the only problem is your device physically breaking, which actually "traps" the eSIM profile.
Re:Zero Trust SIM by Nextgrid on Monday September 26, 2022 @01:09PM (#32985569)
So you depend on the company's goodwill. Has this ever worked when it comes to monopolized industries?
Re:Zero Trust SIM by lxgr on Monday September 26, 2022 @05:26PM (#32988691)
As others have mentioned, companies can (and some but not all do!) tie physical SIMs to a given IMEI just as well, so it‘s less a question of goodwill and more one of competition, consumer education and choice etc.
Re:Zero Trust SIM by ajsnigrutin on Monday September 26, 2022 @06:29PM (#32989441)
I think this (tieing phones to sims and vice versa) is forbidden in EU.
Re:Zero Trust SIM by Nextgrid on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @05:15AM (#32993105)
It's less about what's technically forbidden and more about what's actually enforced.

If the carrier forces you to spend an hour on hold to talk to a customer support agent to reissue an eSIM provisioning code, would that be considered tying? Probably not, yet it's still very effective at discouraging people from switching phones.