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Re:Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another... by xani_ on Sunday September 25, 2022 @02:34PM (#32974447)
> Going to Venus would allow us to simulate a mars free return trip, but in only 1 year (which would mean for a mars-class ship, a minimum safety factor of 3 (really, six) for fuel, water, air, food, medical supplies etc), instead of a 3 year mission with only a safety factor of 2.

Simulate what ? Sitting in place ? We can do that on earth orbit. Engines running for long time ? No need for people aboard for that.

Re:Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another... by turndown on Sunday September 25, 2022 @02:41PM (#32974521)
I think space is one of those places where you can appeal to unknown unknowns being a major risk factor and everyone agrees. But I personally think that the better option is to just do all of this on the moon. Making a human-habitable base on the moon, to me, still makes the most sense for preparing for habitation on other worlds.
Re:Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another... by readams on Sunday September 25, 2022 @03:24PM (#32975011)
Avoiding the need to wait 26 months between launch windows certainly reduces the degree of difficulty. Going from "oh we wish we had X that we didn't think of" to having it is literally almost 3 years on Mars.
Re:Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another... by xani_ on Sunday September 25, 2022 @05:59PM (#32976803)
It's not to avoid the difficulty, it's to make iteration safer and easier. Good luck seeing what failed if the craft that failed is flying somewhere between earth and mars
Re:Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another... by Spartan-S63 on Sunday September 25, 2022 @02:54PM (#32974684)
For one, leaving the safety of Earth's magnetosphere. We haven't really ventured far enough for radiation to not be tempered by Earth's magnetic field, from what I understand. It would shorten the duration of radiation and help study the effects on astronauts.
Re:Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another... by xani_ on Sunday September 25, 2022 @03:45PM (#32975259)
So, go to moon. No real need to go to another planet just to irradiate some astronauts and in case shit hits the fan they have chance of surviving
Re:Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another... by AstralStorm on Sunday September 25, 2022 @06:10PM (#32976905)
Precisely the goal of Gateway, of which Artemis/SLS are pieces.
Re:Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another... by cratermoon on Sunday September 25, 2022 @03:48PM (#32975290)
Interplanetary space is significantly different environment, compared to low earth orbit, for spacecraft and crews. The only knowledge we have of humans beyond the Van Allen Belts is from Apollo, for relatively short durations.
Re:Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another... by tuatoru on Sunday September 25, 2022 @05:15PM (#32976338)
> Engines running for long time ?

Not with chemical rockets. Perhaps you meant "engines sitting idle for years in interplanetary space, and then restarting reliably".

Re:Target Venus not Mars for first crewed mission to another... by s1artibartfast on Sunday September 25, 2022 @08:22PM (#32977946)
Really depends on the mission profile. If you are refilling in space for a "short" burn, it could still be longest in human history.