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Re:The Fed plans to sharply boost unemployment by echelon on Sunday September 25, 2022 @12:04PM (#32972692)
Some of those on /r/antiwork seem to expect to build careers from McJobs and Starbucks. Instead of seeing these as part time jobs for high school and college students, their expectations are that these jobs can support an apartment rent in a big city without roommates. These types of complaints seem irrational or misguided.

Many of their complaints do seem grounded in truth, however. America's low hanging fruit blue collar jobs have moved to developing nations. The automotive industry doesn't have as many jobs paying what it used to.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of talk for the trade skill pipeline, which has me curious: why not?

Both plumbing and electrical work pay decently and offer a high degree of autonomy, yet these aren't hyped. Nursing can be learned at night school. Not everything requires a college degree or "book smarts".

There has to be something more at play, because the middle class is hollowing out. Maybe not enough of these jobs to go around? Or maybe that middle class can never be as big as it once was during the post war boom years that saw American manufacturing leading the world. Maybe every country gets fifty years tops before that crown moves on.

They're also not wrong in complaining about asset appreciation. Unaffordable housing and rent. These are real pressures. "Cheap housing" doesn't seem like a bone we can throw.

What do we do for these folks that can't get white collar work?

Re:The Fed plans to sharply boost unemployment by BlargMcLarg on Sunday September 25, 2022 @12:54PM (#32973271)
Blue collar shortage in a non-US area. Here, you're not getting the big bucks until you have quite a few years underneath your belt. Additionally, you'll have to be self-employed.

That's what people are complaining about. The hurdles are higher and more frequent than before. It's still there, but having your first home at 35 is vastly different from having it at 25. My friend group is filled with people privileged enough to work lucrative white collar jobs, and it's still a massive challenge despite earning more than 90% of all households.

Now imagine what happens when blue collars get saturated again. They can't beat white collar work during or after 25-35 without going off the beaten path, while white collar is struggling.

Cherry on top: households are getting less while doing more work per household.

Re:The Fed plans to sharply boost unemployment by echelon on Sunday September 25, 2022 @01:17PM (#32973535)
What's the fix for this?

America won't be regaining its 1940's unilateral industrial superpower status again.

Do we just say that the Silent and Boomer generations were a fluke?

Do politicians that promise to redistribute wealth get elected?

Does automation really save us? Or lead to greater inequality?

Re:The Fed plans to sharply boost unemployment by AnimalMuppet on Sunday September 25, 2022 @02:26PM (#32974357)
> Do we just say that the Silent and Boomer generations were a fluke?

Yes we do, because yes, they were a fluke. The question is, can we re-create conditions approximately that good (without bombing the rest of the planet back to the stone age)? I must admit that I don't see a way to do so.

Re:The Fed plans to sharply boost unemployment by randomdata on Sunday September 25, 2022 @04:18PM (#32975650)
> Now imagine what happens when blue collars get saturated again.

The downward pressure on their compensation will see the cost to build new homes come down and thus the market will trend towards affordable again? After all, like all things, the cost of a used home is a function of the cost of a new home.

Re:The Fed plans to sharply boost unemployment by perfecthjrjth on Sunday September 25, 2022 @05:14PM (#32976334)
Well, in HCOL areas, the land costs more than the labor charges.
Re:The Fed plans to sharply boost unemployment by randomdata on Sunday September 25, 2022 @08:24PM (#32977959)
In total, but you're building denser so the per-resident cost ends in a similar ballpark.
Re:The Fed plans to sharply boost unemployment by prepend on Sunday September 25, 2022 @12:41PM (#32973105)
> There doesn't seem to be a lot of talk for the trade skill pipeline, which has me curious: why not?

I think it’s because these jobs are “hard” in that they require more than a day of training and you can’t use your phone at work. There’s a weird habit with people I know that since they can get $15/hour working at a McJob that doesn’t challenge them physically or mentally that it’s “good enough.”

Long term planning is required to learn to weld and make $45/hour.

Re:The Fed plans to sharply boost unemployment by thunky on Sunday September 25, 2022 @04:00PM (#32975421)
> their expectations are that these jobs can support an apartment rent in a big city without roommates

Why shouldn't they? Somehow, with all of our progress, life gets more difficult.

Didn't it used to be possible for cashiers to support themselves?