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Re:Secret app on millions of phones logs key taps by tptacek on Wednesday November 30, 2011 @02:37PM (#3296508)
I think that the facts matter.

I think that there are zero people on HN that think CarrierIQ is a good idea.

So if all we're doing here is condemning CarrierIQ, let's just replace this whole thread with "CARRIERIQ BAD", followed by a bulleted list of bad things, vote it up to 1000, and then get back to talking about building things.

Re:Secret app on millions of phones logs key taps by gergles on Wednesday November 30, 2011 @03:51PM (#3296858)
Or how about if you don't think that this thread is contributing anything to what you think HN should be, you stop yelling at everyone posting in it and go back to "building things"?

We get it, you don't like this thread. You don't need to respond to every comment with a pedantic "fuck you, shut up, and get off my lawn, I have a billion comment karma because people upvote snark so now I'm going to act like a dick " comment of your own.

Re:Secret app on millions of phones logs key taps by tptacek on Wednesday November 30, 2011 @07:50PM (#3297675)
No. Tried that. Now trying the other way. These threads are dragging HN down, and I've decided to be noisier about it.

My feeling is that the same name recognition influence that gets most of my comments modded up 100-200% more than they're actually worth is going to get my -4 comments read even though they're light grey. We'll see!

Re:Secret app on millions of phones logs key taps by DanBC on Wednesday November 30, 2011 @04:26PM (#3296973)
> So if all we're doing here is condemning CarrierIQ

I asked someone who is quite good with crypto a question about a possible MITM attack on 141 million phones. I didn't condemn CarrierIQ, I avoided dramatic language, I even added qualifiers to avoid stating something as fact if it wasn't yet confirmed.

Re:Secret app on millions of phones logs key taps by tptacek on Wednesday November 30, 2011 @04:53PM (#3297064)
Sorry. You're right. I let the ultra dumbness of this whole thread bring me down a bit.

Doing an SSL MITM from agent software installed by the carrier on a phone seems pretty silly, since the carrier is in a position to see anything you're typing into your phone anyways (in the sense that it controls the OS).

I'm not sure I buy any analysis that suggests CarrierIQ is really "MITM'ing" SSL --- though that's trivial for a software agent to do --- because the same people saying that are also saying that it's obvious that CarrierIQ is capturing and remote-logging message contents.

Re:Secret app on millions of phones logs key taps by seigenblues on Thursday December 01, 2011 @10:11AM (#3299968)
real question here: Should it be obvious that the carrier controls the OS? Second question: is that acceptable? I mean, that assumption underpins your dismissal of an MITM as "pretty silly", which also seems totally correct.

I'm just curious if that's the way phones will be forever: with the OS controlled by the carrier and with no right to tinker/hack/modify the device you buy & pay huge monthly fees to use.

Re:Secret app on millions of phones logs key taps by tptacek on Thursday December 01, 2011 @01:32PM (#3300839)
I very much wish it wasn't the case that carriers had influence over phone OS's.