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Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by uup on Saturday September 24, 2022 @10:18AM (#32962811)
I actually find it ridiculous that engineers can be held personally liable for work performed for a company. It's not a model I would support moving towards, at all.
Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by kazinator on Saturday September 24, 2022 @03:56PM (#32966058)
In actual engineering, that is the entrenched model.

In civil engineering and other, individual engineers can face consequences for disasters like collapses.

And other disciplines; a surgeon can face consequences for a surgery that was done by a team, and so on.

Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by TheRealDunkirk on Saturday September 24, 2022 @10:52AM (#32963150)
If the world starts coming after corporations for these kinds of very-real safety issues caused by software, they're going to "do a pro move," and come after the programming profession.
Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by DoingIsLearning on Saturday September 24, 2022 @03:36PM (#32965879)
'going'?

The first person to get jail time during the 'DieselGate' scandal was James Liang, surprise surprise an Enginnering Head at VW. An army of Execs and C-levels were in the know but the first guy to go is a low-rank Engineer.

Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by throwaway2037 on Sunday September 25, 2022 @02:54AM (#32969463)
I'm confused by this post. First you wrote: <<Enginnering Head at VW>>, then you wrote: <<low-rank Engineer>>. Which one is it? Engineering Head at VW probably makes huge money has has 10,000 well-paid staff under them.
Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by DoingIsLearning on Sunday September 25, 2022 @06:17AM (#32970153)
compared to a CTO, the enginnering head is low-rank. According to the prosecution he was making 270k in the US so not exactly mega bucks.

My point is execs and C-levels always claim that their pay is justified by the risk and liability of their decisions but when the wheels hit the tarmac things change very quickly.

Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by throwaway2037 on Monday September 26, 2022 @07:53AM (#32981946)
Hat tip to your reply. This: <<According to the prosecution he was making 270k in the US so not exactly mega bucks.>> I agree 100%.
Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by ydlr on Saturday September 24, 2022 @11:01AM (#32963264)
Maybe we need professional certification for CEOs.
Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by throwawaymaths on Saturday September 24, 2022 @11:09AM (#32963350)
For better or worse, we do, and It's called an MBA
Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by oneplane on Saturday September 24, 2022 @03:35PM (#32965875)
Somehow it seems that an MBA doesn't certify someone a whole lot more than a sociopath certification would...
Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by throwawaymaths on Saturday September 24, 2022 @06:10PM (#32966985)
Hence the "for worse" option
Re:Volvo is using Rust for its in-vehicle software by bb611 on Saturday September 24, 2022 @10:24AM (#32962867)
Agreed. We know issues at the design stage can be avoided by improving systems, making that the personal problem of someone with a PE is a bandaid solution.

Improve regulation, fund regulators, incentivize companies to fund quality processes.