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Re:Financing offshore wind by ncmncm on Friday September 23, 2022 @09:52PM (#32959087)
Offshore wind is interesting to compare to tidal power and wave power. Tidal projects seem to go OK, while wave power companies as a rule go bankrupt without ever finishing a utility-scale installation.

Looking at failed wave-power startups, I find some common features:

  - surface-level equipment exposed to breaking waves, 
  - complicated mechanical parts,
  - electrical equipment on or under water,
  - expensive parts (turbine, generator) duplicated for each unit
  - a heavy, expensive to build bunker.
In offshore wind, the expensive parts -- turbines -- are both offshore and duplicated, and the tower is very big and expensive. On the plus side, the turbines are held well away from salt water, and their mechanical operation is simple (although feathering the blades adds complexity). The power transmission tie-in is at or under the water, but has no moving parts, and can be shared with lots of turbines. It is not surprising that the bigger and taller wind turbines are, the better they get. One big turbine a mile high ought to do best, if you could build it.

Tidal has underwater turbines with expensive generators inside, duplicated, but it is anyway protected from surface insults. Are tidal projects mainly government sponsored?

It strikes me that the sweet spot for wave power would be a system where moving parts are under the surface and protected from breaking waves, where any needed mechanical parts are extremely simple and reliable, and where any expensive, fragile or high-maintenance parts are onshore and indoors.

Thus, I would have high hopes for a system anchored sub-surface that pushes air or water through a culvert/plenum to a turbine in a regular building on-shore. A single plenum, turbine, and generator could serve a whole fleet of energy-collection units out in the water. Closed-loop air, or at least dry air sourced from on shore, is appealing vs. moving sea water or sea air through a turbine, which turbines don't like so much.

Thus, I like

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m6MJpiUEKaU

and

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yfSAN-2pz9w

although I would want the turbine part moved onshore and shared. The latter is uniquely interesting as it takes advantage of not just waves' vertical motion, but their horizontal progression. The V shape is interesting as it takes energy from a wide front of the wave.

This one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ehT-ZTHFGg

is getting hype lately, but checks all the loser boxes.

Re:Financing offshore wind by Gwypaas on Saturday September 24, 2022 @05:16AM (#32960957)
An interesting attempt is Minesto. Being able to utilize a similar propeller seal as regular ships. The question deployment and retrieval.

No affiation, but a former colleague works there.

https://minesto.com/

Re:Financing offshore wind by ncmncm on Saturday September 24, 2022 @10:15AM (#32962794)
Very interesting: only one moving part, aside perhaps from steering surfaces. Or is it passively stable? This sidesteps Makani Power's absurd complexity, able to use buoyancy for loft, instead of needing to be a self-piloting powered craft. It would be good if the figure-8 path could be a natural result of tether and vehicle geometry.

I wonder if the tether could carry air to establish positive pressure in the vehicle body, against leaks. Buoyancy from the sea floor should provide all the pressure needed.

Re:Financing offshore wind by TheSpiceIsLife on Friday September 23, 2022 @11:04PM (#32959395)
I live in Tasmania, and was certain one of your YouTube links would be to Wave Swell Energy / UniWave200. I helped build this - no affiliation, just happened to be in a place at a time whereby I participated in a small way.

Thanks, I hadn't seen 4ehT-ZTHFGg - posted only 6 days ago.

Re:Financing offshore wind by ncmncm on Friday September 23, 2022 @11:42PM (#32959562)
They could improve that by losing the turbines, and connecting a bunch of units to a common plenum driving a single turbine on shore. They could use two plenums, one with overpressure and another with vacuum, and connect the turbine between those.

It would still expose a bunker to surface waves, but anyway it has no exterior moving parts. I am surprised they did not shape it to avoid absorbing direct strikes on the outside -- something more dolphin-shaped.

It says something when a random passersby can suggest major design improvements on a few minutes' acquaintance, but it is a common feature of almost all proposed renewable energy generation and storage technologies.

The incentive structure for proposals and grants seems to enforce extreme overcomplication in order to seem "novel". There seems to be no space for simplicity.

Re:Financing offshore wind by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday September 24, 2022 @01:21AM (#32959914)
Indeed.

I'd be interested if Wave Swell Energy have any plans to develop the idea more along the lines you've described, now they've somewhat proven the concept, or if they're planning on sticking with the current design, which would seem to have only niche use in remote areas that are underserved by grid supply, and suffer poor wind / solar viability for at least some part of the year. So probably nowhere.