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Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by Arainach on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:13PM (#32945863)
>From "hug a chinese" to "masks don't help" one day, and "mandatory masks" the next.

The fact that people keep citing this ridiculous claim is evidence of why this "contradiction" was necessary. People are too selfish and panicky to respond rationally to "although masks are useful, we need current masks for healthcare workers, so please don't go buy any". That message is 4 times as long as the attention span of the average American. As such, it got consolidated into the much more brief (but not strictly accurate) "you don't need to wear masks" until such time as the supply chain could cope.

This was a rational and intentional decision, not a contradiction.

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by autoexec on Thursday September 22, 2022 @08:08PM (#32946279)
> People are too selfish and panicky to respond rationally to "although masks are useful, we need current masks for healthcare workers, so please don't go buy any".

It was a shortsighted error that will forever cost them credibility. Not worth it. They should have just contacted the handful of major retailers that could have delivered N95 masks into the hands of most Americans and asked (or even ordered) them to pull the stock. That's it. Problem solved.

All they did in the end was demonstrate that they cannot be trusted to tell the truth and that's not what you want if you're trying to manage a pandemic or any public health crisis. Outright lying because they didn't want to risk treating the American public like adults was such a massive failure I don't think they will ever recover fully from it.

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by ajsnigrutin on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:36PM (#32946039)
You really don't see an issue with "science" (=people representing groups of scientists on tv) lying to people? "for the greater good"?

But we should still ban people who say otherwise? The first "otherwise" (nutjob conspiracy theorists telling you to wear a mask, no matter what fauci says) or the second "otherwise" (nutjob conspiracy theorists saying that masks are useless)? Which ones should we ban then?

I mean... doing what a youtubeing prepper nutjob said and did, has proven to be safer for you, than following what Fauci (and other local equivalents) say... or you'd atleast have masks, disinfectant and a basement full of toiletpaper and MREs at home, while those listening to Fauci wouldn't.

How can we "trust the science", when "the science" has clearly lied to us? What else is "science" lying about right now?

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by OrvalWintermute on Friday September 23, 2022 @05:23PM (#32957256)
> I mean... doing what a youtubeing prepper nutjob said and did, has proven to be safer for you, than following what Fauci (and other local equivalents) say... or you'd atleast have masks, disinfectant and a basement full of toiletpaper and MREs at home, while those listening to Fauci wouldn't.

When the pandemic happened, and I had multiple P100 masks from asbestos removal, I felt pretty comfortable.

....Until I tried to wear them in everyday life. It is even worse than being at a construction site, wearing one of those monstrosities all day

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by treis on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:18PM (#32945892)
>That message is 4 times as long as the attention span of the average American. As such, it got consolidated into the much more brief (but not strictly accurate) "you don't need to wear masks" until such time as the supply chain could cope.

Well I'm glad they're lying to my face for good reason

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by ahmed3883 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:36PM (#32946032)
You can't lie to people and then expect them to trust you, just because the lie was supposedly in their interest.
Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by Georgelemental on Thursday September 22, 2022 @09:10PM (#32946774)
Actually, the government is supposed to be of, by, and for the people. That precludes lying to the people, even if it's "definitely justified because this is a special case and reasons." https://www.palladiummag.com//2021/07/15/the-myth-of-panic/
Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by adolph on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:48PM (#32946122)
> This was a rational and intentional decision, not a contradiction.

This was a rational and intentional decision to lie, not a contradiction.

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by HideousKojima on Friday September 23, 2022 @01:56AM (#32948535)
"They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if health care providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!” - The U.S. Surgeon General