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Re:Google wants to take on Dolby with new open media formats by mschuster91 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:49PM (#32945625)
> The heavy lifting is done by compression algorithms which deserve to be patented because they do genuinely non-obvious stuff. Just like the way Dolby got digital audio onto a filmstrip was similarly clever.

Or... we could have governments begin funding universities like they did in the past, and the research would be available for all?

Seriously, we have to re-think patents. The amount of money all that rent-seeking crap is costing societies each year is absurd, and not just in payments to trolls, but also stifled progress - think of stuff like e-Ink that's barely affordable.

Re:Google wants to take on Dolby with new open media formats by robinsoh on Thursday September 22, 2022 @08:27PM (#32946428)
> Seriously, we have to re-think patents. The amount of money all that rent-seeking crap is costing societies each year is absurd, and not just in payments to trolls, but also stifled progress - think of stuff like e-Ink that's barely affordable.

You think patents is why e-Ink is 'barely affordable'? Could you elaborate on what data you used to form that conclusion? A simple question, lets say price of a panel versus cost of the raw materials to make it? What margin do you think they're making? Do you know?

Re:Google wants to take on Dolby with new open media formats by justinclift on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:42PM (#32947764)
Previous discussion of the E-ink patent situation:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26143779

Re:Google wants to take on Dolby with new open media formats by robinsoh on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:44PM (#32947781)
That looks like a non-answer to me. That post doesn't give any verifiable facts. Repeating it just shows a lack of desire for accurate information.
Re:Google wants to take on Dolby with new open media formats by mschuster91 on Friday September 23, 2022 @03:21AM (#32948949)
AFAIK, that was the situation at least in 2016, per media articles back at the time [1]:

> And E Ink, the company, has such a patent moat that it has acted as a monopoly, which Behzadi says has kept prices perhaps too high. But E Ink lost a big patent fight in 2015, and the market could expand soon.

The fact that almost everyone wants e-Ink technology, but e-Ink prices still are still really high [2][3] leads me to believe that either there are still patents at play that prevent competition from rising up, or that the competition hasn't managed to catch up for some other reason. It might also be the case that all of this is simply due to the aftershock of COVID supply chain disruptions, in any case I haven't found a better explanation yet.

[1] https://www.wired.com/2016/05/get-ready-world-covered-electr...

[2] https://www.digikey.de/de/products/detail/e-ink-corporation/...

[3] https://goodereader.com/blog/e-paper/e-ink-has-gallery-plus-...

Re:Google wants to take on Dolby with new open media formats by robinsoh on Friday September 23, 2022 @05:46AM (#32949803)
> The fact that almost everyone wants e-Ink technology, but e-Ink prices still are still really high [2][3] leads me to believe that either there are still patents at play that prevent competition from rising up, or that the competition hasn't managed to catch up for some other reason.

I disagree. It leads me to believe the underlying technology, electrophoretics isn't capable of achieving the volume scaling and update speeds that would make it achieve mass market pricing. Also the links you provided, do not substantiate the main thesis that's being asserted, ie "there are still patents at play that prevent competition from rising up". Further, the quotation you provided was from Behzadi who was a kickstarter guy who failed to deliver the product he promised and then proceeded to blame everyone else except himself.

There's a simple question you can ask to prove this to yourself. Ask everyone who is making this claim, which specific patent is blocking them and how exactly it blocks their idea. You'll instantly realize the people making these claims are not actual display engineers with knowledge of electrophoretics. Typcially, at best, they're bullshitters trying to sound clever or at worst like Behzadi, scammers who are trying to hide having overpromised and then misspent other people's money.