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Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by dahart on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:26AM (#32939203)
The article didn’t even consider the possibility that tech companies just happen to disagree with the Great Barrington Declaration and saw it as speculation and misinformation, which it is to some degree. It also doesn’t discuss the possibility that this Declaration was signed by a small minority of scientists. Instead, it spends all it’s time trying to frame this as a conspiracy, a large group being silenced by a small group of powerful people.

The saddest part is that the stated goal of the GBD is exactly the same as the stated goal behind our lockdowns, to minimize the death toll while things settle. Framing this as opposing parties with opposing goals is more about tribal politics than about the facts of the debate or about free speech.

The Constitution makes clear that Freedom of Speech is not absolute, and does not extend to some kinds of speech that can be harmful to society. This is a case where this speech might turn out to be a False Statement of Fact that is not protected and should not be spread, because of the ramifications it has on people’s lives. The merits of the argument are very relevant to the question of whether there is a constitutional responsibility, according to the constitution!

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by causi on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:31AM (#32939287)
False Statement of Fact

Even deliberate lies are protected by the first amendment unless they fall under the category of defamation. "Harm to society" is an irrelevant distinction under American law.

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by dahart on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:40AM (#32939413)
That’s absolutely not true. The reasoning behind free speech exceptions like fighting words, sedition, pornography and others all hinge on harm to society.

The Supreme Court has already recognized False Statements of Fact concerning “issues of public concern.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_statements_of_fact#Issue...

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by causi on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:35AM (#32940390)
Fighting words is not an exemption to free speech; it is an exemption to laws against assault and battery. Speaking fighting words does not break the law. Responding to fighting words by punching the speaker doesn't either. If the listener chooses not to respond to fighting words with violence and your fighting words did not include over criminal acts such as making a true threat, you will not be arrested.
Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by dahart on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:39AM (#32940452)
> Fighting words is not an exemption to free speech

Wrong again. Yes they are, generally speaking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...

Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by peteradio on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:35AM (#32939342)
The GBD was basically a recitation of the WHO Pandemic Influenza Preparedness and Response. How could you trivially classify it as harmful to society?
Re:Censorship by big tech at the behest of the U.S. government? by dahart on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:59AM (#32939759)
I didn’t. The WHO did.

(But it’s a good point that the GBD’s goals and the WHO’s are the same, which is a good reason to ask why the debate has veered away from science and facts and is devolving into attacks and bad faith arguments.)