Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by skeletal88 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:12AM (#32937310)

Someone I know who worked there said that after the sale to Ms they had 4 levels of managers between a developer and Ballmer. A year later it was 8 levels. Maybe he was exxagerating, but that was also adding to the problems

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by me_again on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:57AM (#32940757)

It's generally engineer -> engineering manager (10 people) -> group engineering manager (100 people) -> VP -> fancy VP -> CEO.

Depth of org in a company is logN(number of employees) where N is the number of reports a manager has. At Microsoft there's order of 100K full time employees and N is about 10, so depth is about 6. This seems fairly unremarkable to me, though obviously there are other ways to do it.

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Re:Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad? by rnk on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:06PM (#32947167)

I love that alignment description, that reminds me of what it was like when I was at Microsoft. Fancy VPs always did unclear things. Above them in my chain was some kind of president who had no clear role either.

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