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Re:Music artist: "Why I prefer piracy to Spotify" by res0nat0r on Tuesday November 29, 2011 @10:55PM (#3293611)
I thought that these small numbers everyone is quoting from Spotify are not so accurate. I thought there is more data related to artist compensation which isn't public knowledge, so this shouldn't be taken at face value?
Re:Music artist: "Why I prefer piracy to Spotify" by JshWright on Tuesday November 29, 2011 @11:55PM (#3293788)
Derek seems to imply that major labels get paid more, but it seems this particular small number is accurate for this particular independent artist.
Re:Music artist: "Why I prefer piracy to Spotify" by mturmon on Wednesday November 30, 2011 @01:59AM (#3294096)
Here's a link from the OP saying Spotify royalties really are as bad as he's saying:

http://matthewebel.com/2011/07/20/spotify-let-the-money-pour...

Re:Music artist: "Why I prefer piracy to Spotify" by shibboleth on Wednesday November 30, 2011 @02:52AM (#3294223)
Hm, Matthew Ebel is being paid around $.0015 per stream while Derek Webb is getting $0.00029 per stream. I wonder why there is such a large difference? Maybe Matthew's main streamers are from Spotify paid accounts?
Re:Music artist: "Why I prefer piracy to Spotify" by earl on Wednesday November 30, 2011 @12:32AM (#3293892)
Other known numbers, mostly sourced from wikipedia [1]

"There are indie labels that, as opposed to the majors and Merlin members, receive no advance, receive no minimum per stream and only get a 50% share of ad revenue on a pro-rata basis (which so far has amounted to next to nothing)." Spotify also bought off the labels by giving them a bunch of shares (18%?) Better yet, even if an artist is with a major label, apparently the revenues labels might realize from share sales are non attributable to artists and hence stay purely with the labels. This seems like utter bullshit but there you have it. [2]

A swedish band Magnus Uggla -- apparently well established -- said "after six months on the site he'd earned 'what a mediocre busker could earn in a day'" [2]

A Norwegian record label called Racing Junior earned "NOK 19 ($3.00 USD) after their artists had been streamed over 55,100 times" [1] (english) [3] (swedish)

British musician Jons Hopkins earned 8 pounds ($12.48 at current rates) for 90k plays, or $0.00013 per play [4,5]. Even if a normal purchaser played a song 250 times, (9e4/250 * 0.7) = $252, or 20 times more money.

All in all, pretty appalling. I'm a Spotify subscriber but I'm going to have to rethink it.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotify#Criticism

[2] http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/aug/17/major-...

[3] http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/08/11/kultur/musikk/spotify/mus...

[4] https://twitter.com/#!/Jon_Hopkins_/status/13714775382964633...

[5] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3293641

Re:Music artist: "Why I prefer piracy to Spotify" by klbarry on Wednesday November 30, 2011 @12:49AM (#3293940)
My friend and I with a guitar made $200 every 6 hours busking in nyc, and we're amateurs. Online pennies for offline dollars...