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Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by ehnto on Thursday September 22, 2022 @03:21AM (#32935699)
The choice isn't even starting from the middle of the spectrum. We already have the foot on the accelerator, and it's unlikely we'll let up with our current generation of leaders. I think we'll continue to pollute at a rate far too great for the planet to handle, and we're going to have to get very good at remediation to continue living here.

It will only be once the next generation of leaders comes into power, maybe even the generation after that, as they will be living the climate reality enough to want to fix it (whichever level of severity it ends up being). At which point we'll be needing to focus on remediation still, before finally, hopefully, creating some kind of sustainable version of our current societies.

Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by psychoslave on Thursday September 22, 2022 @04:25AM (#32936171)
>I think we'll continue to pollute at a rate far too great for the planet to handle, and we're going to have to get very good at remediation to continue living here.

The planet will do fine, but even stating such a thing is still commit anthropomorphism. The planet will continue to exist for a long time, no matter what the fate of mankind will be.

Even life is most likely to continue prospering in a way or in an other.

We, the human species, are not the planet. Let’s stop to use formulation like "the planet is in danger". No it’s not. The biosphere already went through five major extinction, and life is still there.

Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by ehnto on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:44AM (#32937530)
The rocks will be ecstatic to hear this news.

Humans aren't the only species evolved to live in this particular climate, and we won't be the only species impacted by an extreme outcome of climate change. Long term, of course, the planet will survive, and hopefully many species will thrive in our absence. But many will go extinct, and it will have been our fault. On a long enough time scale, sure, nothing matters really, the sun will explode and all our flyer campagins will have been for nothing. But we experience a much smaller timescale, and it'd be great if we gave some thought to not boiling the reefs and setting fire to the koalas while we're here.

Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by rebuilder on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:02AM (#32937233)
When people worry about nuclear war, do you also console them that the cockroaches will likely live on?
Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by larsnystrom on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:06AM (#32937258)
You're absolutely right, the planet is in no danger. It's us humans that are in danger. We are polluting at a rate far too great for us humans to handle, and if we want to survive as a species we must do something about that.
Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by s1artibartfast on Thursday September 22, 2022 @08:41AM (#32938040)
Even that is gross hyperbole. Humans as species could survive even the most disastrous predictions, rendering entire continents uninhabited.

The top level post is correct. It is a matter of minimizing suffering.

Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by ehnto on Thursday September 22, 2022 @10:38AM (#32939392)
Which will have to be through remediation... I never said the world was coming to an end. I said we aren't likely to stop polluting, so we should get really good at remediating what we will have wrought.
Re:Modernity is incompatible with planetary limits: a PLAN f... by s1artibartfast on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:57AM (#32940754)
Sure, it would be a good idea to do something. I'm just calling out "if we want to survive as a species we must do something about that“ as hyperbolic. This is a point made in thread you are responding in