Tik Tok is a national security threat

Re:Tik Tok is a national security threat by kube-system on Monday September 19, 2022 @05:45PM (#32904477)

When this happens in a room in the west, it gets a Wikipedia page and people regularly post about it online and argue about whether the scope of the collection under law is appropriate.

When this happens in an authoritarian state, it is business as usual, the scope of collection is not considered, and dissenting opinions quickly disappear.

That’s the difference.

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Re:Tik Tok is a national security threat by cwkoss on Monday September 19, 2022 @05:59PM (#32904672)

I think you'd be surprised at how effective Chinese people are at discussing the things they aren't allowed to without getting spotted by the censors.

Lots of slang terms get used, and the discussion continues.

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Re:Tik Tok is a national security threat by kube-system on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:12PM (#32904827)

I’m aware, but this delegitimizes the conversations and forces them out of mainstream discussion.

Mark Klein told the world about Room 641A on freekin PBS.

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Re:Tik Tok is a national security threat by ProAm on Monday September 19, 2022 @05:49PM (#32904538)

Im not sure I follow. I think this happens to every company in an authoritarian state currently, not having a room like this would be the oddity? They collect everything by default, like we do, we just try to keep it secret?

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Re:Tik Tok is a national security threat by kube-system on Monday September 19, 2022 @06:08PM (#32904778)

Western democracies discuss, legislate, and impose limitations on those collections powers in great detail.

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Re:Tik Tok is a national security threat by ProAm on Monday September 19, 2022 @07:50PM (#32905741)

I disagree with this in practice. Look at the data collection of the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc.... No one is willing to legislate or limit that.

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Re:Tik Tok is a national security threat by kube-system on Monday September 19, 2022 @10:15PM (#32906861)

That is simply not true, there are tens of thousands of pages of law and regulation governing how those agencies must collect data.

The most notable and relevant to this discussion is FISA which has been amended by Congress at least a dozen times. This is certainly not a topic that doesn’t come up in Congress.

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Re:Tik Tok is a national security threat by ProAm on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:41AM (#32926716)

I counter this with what Snowden leaked. And watching the head of the NSA lie to congress about data collection. [A] FISA is a rubber stamp, no one will give up this power (and I don't blame them). [1] [2]

[1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/05/foriegn-intelligence-s...

[2] https://www.npr.org/2013/06/13/191226106/fisa-court-appears-...

[A] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/01/27...

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