A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by gumby on Saturday September 17, 2022 @11:29AM (#32878302)

0% chance of side effects is unrealistic. A better way to think of it is like the hippocratic oath that doctors adhere to: to do no harm.

Yet just a few weeks ago a doctor cut some holes in me. That’s clearly harmful, yet in the balance I was quite glad he did so sad that way he could repair my arm. So a trade off analysis is required.

Fortunately there’s a emerging governance, e.g. from the Climate Restoration Safety and Governance Board that’s just starting up. It already has a pipeline of projects waiting to apply for regulation.

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by Sporktacular on Monday September 19, 2022 @03:14PM (#32902611)

We perform operations all the time. The consequences are generally well known.

An operation on your body has consequences for you alone. You can consent to it. We won't find consensus on altering entire climates.

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by bilsbie on Saturday September 17, 2022 @01:22PM (#32879272)

Or instead we should only do interventions that are easy to undo (or stop)

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by cfraenkel on Sunday September 18, 2022 @01:44PM (#32889601)

As opposed to the 100% chance of massive, civilization threatening consequences if we do nothing?

The contrast is illuminating.

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by Sporktacular on Monday September 19, 2022 @03:15PM (#32902616)

We already know what to do.

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by tdehnel on Sunday September 18, 2022 @01:58AM (#32884818)

Wait, even with a 0% chance of unintended consequences, you’d still insist on exhausting literally every other option?

These climate doomsayers are really committed to the bit.

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by netfl0 on Saturday September 17, 2022 @09:02AM (#32877181)

Don’t stand in the way of their hubris.

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by ClassyJacket on Saturday September 17, 2022 @10:02AM (#32877602)

How DARE they try to prevent the extinction of the human race!

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by collegeburner on Saturday September 17, 2022 @11:08AM (#32878128)

dude stop pretending like global warming will cause our extinction or provide a source to back it up. none of the models i've read supported any conclusion like that

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by throwaway290 on Saturday September 17, 2022 @04:06PM (#32881068)

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03595-0

you can live in your own wishful thinking fairy tale where models make "conclusions" but over here in reality we have to live knowing that extinction is a possibility because veering away from equilibrium means you cannot predict in the first place.

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by collegeburner on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @12:30PM (#32927567)

your article doesn't say anything about human extinction. it talks about a "tipping point" in climate change but has no evidence to suggest human extinction. provide a source or stop claiming it will make us extinct.

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by Sporktacular on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:50PM (#32930594)

Why are humans the only creatures that matter? Are we the only ones capable of suffering? If it wipes out a quarter of all species isn't that a catastrophe, even without considering our dependence on them? Myopia like yours is how humanity got here.

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by collegeburner on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:01PM (#32933635)

i didnt say that. i was responding to a hyperbolic and utterly baseless claim that climate change wpuld cause humanity to be extinct. it's an absolutely cnn-tier nonsense statement.

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by Sporktacular on Thursday September 22, 2022 @09:11PM (#32946780)

It's hyperbolic but there is value in its core - ecosystem collapse would bring us close. And the point below is not unreasonable - our collective response to 1.5 vs 4.5 degrees warming will not be linear. Mass migration, resulting fascism, resource wars and mismanagement, evaporation and starvation could finish those who remain.

If we're forced to live a completely different lifestyle it may be tantamount to the extinction of modern humanity.

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by blooalien on Sunday September 18, 2022 @06:17PM (#32892022)

Have you met humans? Even if climate change itself does not bring about extinction, there's a very real possibility that human stupidity in response to climate change (and other related factors) could very well start a chain of events that realistically might end with an extinction level event of one kind or another. Hell, even without climate change aggravating things, some lunatic like Putin could start something we'd all regret…

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Re:A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deploy... by bilsbie on Saturday September 17, 2022 @01:22PM (#32879277)

But CNN told me.

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