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Re:60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots... by mc32 on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:39PM (#32868660)
This is wrong. You are saying, this is so established that entertaining any alternative is wrongheaded. No. That's not how it works. We need dissent even in the middle of battle. We need to re-asses and continuously examine what we hold true to ensure it is still true. People are not gods. We can be in the wrong. This echoes GWBushe's you're either with us, or you're against us. It's a made up dichotomy.
Re:60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots... by jstarfish on Friday September 16, 2022 @02:23PM (#32870076)
> We need dissent even in the middle of battle. We need to re-asses and continuously examine what we hold true to ensure it is still true.

Tacticians act on Intelligence. Dissent is not Intelligence.

Dissent is so toxic it is literally weaponized to cripple an adversary with indecision and domestic unrest. It is the militarization of gaslighting.

It's not something you want arising mid-campaign, especially when (as in this case) its proponents are entirely fictional.

Re:60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots... by dvfjsdhgfv on Friday September 16, 2022 @03:58PM (#32871241)
I upvoted both of you because you both have valid points in spite of apparent contradiction.

Dissent, if it's based on intelligence, can be extremely useful. It's literally something that can save a society. But intelligence involves a careful analysis of facts, and it's something very hard if you deal with an army of trolls.

Re:60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots... by less_less on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:55PM (#32868899)
Speaking of made-up dichotomies, surely there's some option in between "news shows should constantly debate X vs Y" and "X is so established that entertaining any alternative is wrongheaded".
Re:60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots... by mc32 on Friday September 16, 2022 @01:06PM (#32869023)
Yeah, I think there is. Usually you could find them by looking at third parties that did not have much stake in either alternative.

For example, the southern border. You have OpenBorders vs Close the border camps. But there has always been the guest worker visa program on the hoper but no one wants it. It would drive business costs up, it would drain the Ds and Rs of energy around that topic. If you look at many LatAM countries, they themselves implement controls so that locals have preferences for jobs even with respect to immigrants legally able to work. But CNN never mentions those aspects. CNN doesn't mention Bernie used to vote against having foreigners compete against the local workforce for jobs.

Or abortion vs Abortion bans. Let's look at the rest of the world, and if not the whole world, then Europe, and we see there a mixture with some consensus around some figures. But we don't get that coverage, it's all outrage one way or the other.