Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or...
by JoeAltmaier on Thursday September 15, 2022 @06:07PM
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Or combine it with a fine for creating debris?
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Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or...
by _jal on Thursday September 15, 2022 @06:29PM
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I think it is past time to make launchers publish their plan for lifecycle management, and perhaps post bonds against them, in case they go bankrupt.
Making sovereigns pay for trashing the commons is tricky for obvious reasons. But we don't have those problems with corporations.
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or...
by bagels on Thursday September 15, 2022 @09:45PM
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US, through the FCC of all things, requires licensing applications (before launch) to address satellite lifetimes.
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or...
by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday September 16, 2022 @03:21AM
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How are you going to get e.g. the Chinese Government to pay? (1)
And if you can get them to agree to pay, who is a suitable body that they can be convinced to pay it _to_ ? I'm pretty sure that any arm of the US government, or US parastatal body, would not be acceptable. It's an international governance problem.
1) https://www.space.com/3415-china-anti-satellite-test-worriso...
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or...
by mschuster91 on Friday September 16, 2022 @03:59AM
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> How are you going to get e.g. the Chinese Government to pay?
Seize assets of nation-state entities (or entities controlled by the Chinese state) like airplanes and ships or bank funds, release them after payment.
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or...
by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday September 16, 2022 @08:10AM
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But are there any serious, adult, workable proposals?
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or...
by mschuster91 on Friday September 16, 2022 @09:43AM
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Yes of course. We did that over a decade ago in Germany - a construction company was owed 30 million euros from the government of Thailand, so our police seized the airplane of the king at the Munich airport, and in 2005 we did the same for a collection of debt against Lebanon [1].
[1] https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article13485097/Boeing-von-Th...
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or...
by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday September 16, 2022 @02:53PM
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So to be clear, you would say that China's standing and general compliance to perceived hostile action against it is the same as Lebanon or Thailand? IMHO, that is very naïve.
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or...
by mschuster91 on Monday September 19, 2022 @07:37AM
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China's "standing" is being a fucking bully that doesn't care about any rules.
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or...
by SideburnsOfDoom on Monday September 19, 2022 @08:58AM
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That opinion is consistent with the link that I posted - smashing a satellite into debris for kicks. But it does seem to be inconsistent with taking your above "seize assets" suggestions seriously.
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or...
by notsapiensatall on Thursday September 15, 2022 @07:22PM
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All well and good, until someone decides to lob a missile at a satellite and make a little Kessler syndrome, or launch missions with no reentry plans from a nation that hasn't signed your treaty.
I don't think it's a bad idea to be proactive about space cleanup, rather than reactive.