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Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by supernova87a on Thursday September 15, 2022 @05:15PM (#32858548)
So:

Study the issue, publish debris catalog, fund pilot programs to deorbit debris, encourage agencies and other countries to develop standards about debris...

Everything except "generate less debris".

Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by Rebelgecko on Thursday September 15, 2022 @05:27PM (#32858681)
2 ways to reduce orbital debris: get rid of stuff that's already there, and generate less. This law seems to me like it would tackle both.

More stringent deorbiting standards and better methods for satellites to commit sudoku will reduce the amount of satellites that become debris.

But that doesn't change the fact that the majority of debris in orbit today comes from 2 sources: the Chinese ASAT test and leaky Soviet nuclear reactors. The proposed ASAT test ban helps that from being an issue, but you still need a way to clean up the existing debris (other than waiting decades or centuries)

Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by Maursault on Thursday September 15, 2022 @07:56PM (#32860120)
There is a 3rd method already being implemented,[1] though it is enhanced by your second method. If no more satellites were put in orbit, eventually there would be no satellites (or space junk) in orbit.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_decay

Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by Rebelgecko on Friday September 16, 2022 @01:04AM (#32862322)
Unfortunately I don't think it's practical to wait thousands-millions of years for everything to decay
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by Maursault on Friday September 16, 2022 @09:09PM (#32873900)
How about 150 years? Because due to orbital decay, that is about how long it would take for everything to fall out of orbit. If there is a Kessler Syndrome, depending on its effect at higher orbits, it might take a few hundred more years, but definitely definitely not billions of years.
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by Ferrotin on Thursday September 15, 2022 @05:50PM (#32858920)
How on earth would a leaky Soviet reactor create orbital debris?
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by thatcherc on Thursday September 15, 2022 @06:04PM (#32859039)
Commenter is probably referring to this incident[1] where a sodium-cooled nuclear reactor on a Soviet satellite ended up spraying a bunch of small beads of sodium into Earth orbit. The number and density of the beads makes them a long-lived hazard.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmos_954

Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by Rebelgecko on Friday September 16, 2022 @01:03AM (#32862307)
There's a few dozen nuclear powered RORSATS. When their start leaking (due to micrometeorite strikes or just wear & tear), they leak out globs of coolant that coagulate together. Each satellite has a few hundred points of coolant, which can make a LOT of 1cm across globs (or larger globs, or droplets that are too small to detect). I don't have a paper handy, but IIRC these droplets were the #1 source of space junk up until the 2007 antisatellite weapon test

e: Paper here, https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.27...

Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by Ferrotin on Saturday September 17, 2022 @01:33AM (#32875045)
Thanks, I’ll read it.
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by Cyphase on Thursday September 15, 2022 @06:39PM (#32859361)
I think you mean seppuku, not sudoku. :)
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by awad on Thursday September 15, 2022 @08:19PM (#32860303)
I said the said thing at first but learned it's an online meme :)
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by Jtsummers on Thursday September 15, 2022 @05:23PM (#32858635)
> Other Washington companies like SpaceX, Amazon’s Kuiper Systems, and Stoke Space Technologies are also looking for new ways to reduce debris from accumulating in space in the first place or have been threatened by debris.

Good news! Concurrent efforts can work concurrently! Reducing future debris is already an area of active work.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32793236 <- Posted two days ago.

Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by m0llusk on Thursday September 15, 2022 @05:25PM (#32858652)
There have been moves to get nations to sign on to a ban on antisatellite weapons. The largest recent contributions to space debris have been tests of antisatellite weapon systems. So that is at least being attempted, but it is a separate track based mostly on foreign relations.
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by zardo on Thursday September 15, 2022 @05:19PM (#32858593)
> encourage agencies and other countries to develop standards about debris...

> Everything except "generate less debris".

What else would the standards be about?

Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by findingaway on Thursday September 15, 2022 @05:19PM (#32858594)
If you've looked at our environmental efforts over the last 50 years. The trends should be pretty obvious :-) The scam that is recycling exists as an industry mostly to allay the fear of the populace, not address the issue. It's a nice side benefit that sometimes companies can save on costs for certain products.
Re:Senators introduce bill to thin out the 900k pieces of or... by x3n0ph3n3 on Thursday September 15, 2022 @05:26PM (#32858665)
This recent article actually discusses reducing debris more quickly. [1] Are you suggesting fewer launches?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32793236