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Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by gdy on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:18PM (#32827294)
"Not letting e.g. Baltics into NATO/EU would almost certainly mean they have been already absorbed back into Russia. The rest of CEE would be vassalized."

Why?

Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by MichaelCollins on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:07PM (#32828071)
Because Russia has a recent and current track record of behaving this way.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by gdy on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @03:54PM (#32829418)
You too are trying to justify NATO expansion by Russian reaction to it.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by The_Colonel on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @04:04PM (#32829548)
Not necessarily. Most of the new members have been invaded by Russia in the past 100 years.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by gdy on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @04:18PM (#32829679)
And Russia has been invaded by most of the European countries in the same time period. Starting from the Intervention and Poland's invasion to the invasion by Germany and its allies.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by fastaguy88 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @10:19PM (#32832562)
I’m puzzled by this statement. Russia has been invaded by Germany several times. Has it been invaded by France, Spain, Poland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium, the Czech Republic, or The UK in the past 100 years? As a parochial American, what have I missed?
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by gdy on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @06:31AM (#32835283)
Poland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War

Czechoslovaks, United Kingdom, France, Greece, Estonia, Serbia, Italy, Romania: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Rus...

Germany, Romania, Hungary, Italy, Slovakia, Croatia, Finland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)

Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by The_Colonel on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @08:07AM (#32836006)
The intervention was a messy affair, but can hardly be called an invasion. Czechoslovak legion got to Russia to fight on its side and when Bolsheviks took over, mostly just tried to return home. The goals of other countries interventions in this chaos were diverse, but again, mostly not directed against Russia, some e.g. tried to prevent Germany from taking more Russian territory.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by gdy on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:27AM (#32836865)
"but can hardly be called an invasion"

It was an invasion in support of one of the sides in Russian civil war. Russia made peace with Germany 1917 [0], the intervention started in 1918.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_between_Russia_and_t...

Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by The_Colonel on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @04:42PM (#32829935)
You're deflecting. The point is that CEE countries had a valid reason to fear Russian imperialism and acted accordingly.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by gdy on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @06:40AM (#32835337)
You're deflecting.

I remind you that I asked 'Why?' in response to your bold statement "Not letting e.g. Baltics into NATO/EU would almost certainly mean they have been already absorbed back into Russia. The rest of CEE would be vassalized."

Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by The_Colonel on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @08:08AM (#32836020)
And I responded to you that Russia has both long and recent history of imperialism in this region.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by gdy on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @09:28AM (#32836883)
Just like almost anyone else which makes it a deflection and not an answer.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by The_Colonel on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @03:46PM (#32842371)
No, the countries in question have been recently threatened only by Russia.

The only other recent aggressor was by that point completely pacified Germany.

Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by gdy on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @03:58PM (#32842554)
Again, you are justifying an action by the reaction to it.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by The_Colonel on Wednesday September 14, 2022 @05:47PM (#32843860)
No, these aggressions happened in the recent history (< 100 years) before NATO accessions. Once in NATO, these countries were off limits (= main lure of the membership).
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by gdy on Thursday September 15, 2022 @10:51AM (#32852897)
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by The_Colonel on Thursday September 15, 2022 @04:06PM (#32857780)
You're going in circles. We're not discussing why Russia started CSTO, but why CEE nations felt the need to enter NATO. The fact that Russia was also invaded in its history bears no relevancy in this matter.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves by gdy on Sunday September 18, 2022 @10:48AM (#32887991)