Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves
by yabqk on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:44PM
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Ukraine is as culturally European as Qatar.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves
by i_no_can_eat on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:56PM
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That's a very ridiculous thing to say.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves
by yabqk on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:10PM
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It’s hyperbolic, but yes, Ukraine is much more similar to Russia than to Western Europe.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves
by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:29PM
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Russia is much more European than Yemen. So is Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Croatia, Albania, and Macedonia.
Moscow and, especially, St. Petersburg are pretty European historically and culturally. Western Russia accounts for 77% of Russia's population and is predominately influenced by the culture of Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Kyiv...
Europe isn't just Italy, Spain, & France...
Not every European country is Western European culturally...
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves
by MichaelCollins on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:23PM
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You just moved the goalpost from "European" to "Western European", excluding Eastern Europeans because they're inconvenient to your point.
BTW, most Russians are European, living west of the Urals.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves
by kspacewalk2 on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:20PM
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Sneak "western" in there and move the goalposts, why don't you.
Ukraine is culturally, geographically and geopolitically a European nation.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves
by chitowneats on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:22PM
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Russia and Ukraine are historically and culturally European. Russian expansion deep into Siberia is a relatively recent phenomenon. Sure, they're not Western European, but that's not what you said in your original comment.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves
by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:31PM
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Moscow and St. Petersburg - which make up a huge chunk of Russia economically, politically, and in terms of population - are very European historically and culturally.
But Russia is a gigantic country with a lot of population that isn't particularly European in any sense.
Ukraine on the other hand is basically 100% European any way you want to slice it beside Putin's revisionist history.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves
by bitL on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @03:08PM
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Technically, the last traces of what is known as Western Europe (i.e. catholic/protestant culture/architecture) end somewhere in the western Ukraine. Orthodoxy/Byzantium culture then starts in the eastern Ukraine.
Re:European natural gas imports and storage reserves
by brnt on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @04:40PM
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The Russian world is a Muskovite imperialist invention my dear friend. You can't write Russian history without involving basically any other European country. Well, you could maybe leave Liechtenstein and Portugal out?
If it was, you'd probably get a similar reaction.