A personal list of Rust grievances

Re:A personal list of Rust grievances by smilekzs on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:27AM (#32821211)

Disclaimer: I have been (re-)learning Rust recently through some toy projects.

> Type aliases are transparent (as opposed to abstract) by default, exposing their definitions publicly.

IMHO this hurts a lot because the main alternative, which is the "newtype" pattern (`struct NewType(OldType);`), introduces a lot of friction. Yes, you can `derive`, but it usually takes a lot more to reach "feature parity" with the original type, with only the undesirable parts swapped out. There are libraries to help: `derive_more`, `derivative`, etc. but the qualities vary, you need to find the correct library in the first place, and even then there's no guarantee they play nice with each other...

> conversions: From, TryFrom, Into, TryInto, As, AsRef, AsMut

This makes the 1st point worse TBH. With a myriad of newtypes and typedefs, it soon becomes confusing what can convert to what, through which trait or direct methods.

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Re:A personal list of Rust grievances by moth-fuzz on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @09:08AM (#32823756)

I never quite understood why this is the way it is - why is the paradigm

    impl TryFrom<&T> for U

instead of

    impl Into<Result<U, E>> for &T

Why make a separate trait? And why make the blanket impl from-based rather than into-based?

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Re:A personal list of Rust grievances by estebank on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @10:21AM (#32824638)

Because Rust has restrictions on what can be impl'd to containing at least one local type/trait.

    impl Foo<X> for Y {}
         ^^^---     ^ one of these two has to belong to your current crate
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            this part doesn't matter

If you tried

    impl ForeignTrait for ForeignType {}

You get a compile error, hence why you can sometimes hear people suggesting using a new-type

    struct LocalType(ForeignType);
    impl ForeignTrait for LocalType {}
                          ^^^^^^^^^ this is a local type, so it compiles

This restriction is to avoid allowing semver footguns, where changes in a dependency of a dependency can cause your current crate to stop compiling after a seemingly innocuous upstream change.

With that context

    impl Into<Result<U, E>> for &T
         ^^^^                    ^ could be foreign?
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         foreign (from std::)

If you want to provide your users with a way to call .into() on a type you provide, that can be converted to a type they wrote, you need to be able to express the opposite construct, hence `From`

    impl From<Foreign> for Local
         ^^^^ -------      ^^^^^ local type, so the impl is allowed
         |    |
         |    foreign, but it doesn't matter
         foreign (from std::)

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Re:A personal list of Rust grievances by aecay on Monday September 19, 2022 @01:49PM (#32901553)

This is a fantastic explanation.

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