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Re:Can the American mall survive? by treis on Monday September 12, 2022 @12:51PM (#32813034)
They already have. Most new malls (at least in my area) are a sort of fake downtown with retail on the first level and apartments above. They are more restaurant heavy and have lawns and such for events.
Re:Can the American mall survive? by bee_rider on Monday September 12, 2022 @03:43PM (#32815760)
Is it really a fake downtown? I mean, if people are living there and retail is there, it is a real I guess... just, intentionally/artificially constructed (we can pick a adjective to fit whatever spin we want to put on it).
Re:Can the American mall survive? by usefulcat on Monday September 12, 2022 @04:39PM (#32816606)
'Fake' in the sense of having been designed to be a sort of downtown-ish space, as compared to real downtown areas that evolved more organically. I've seen what your parent commenter is referring to; it looks a lot like like living at a mall.
Re:Can the American mall survive? by bee_rider on Monday September 12, 2022 @04:50PM (#32816766)
Yeah, I get what you mean, I just think artificial is a better word.

Lots of "real" downtowns are also intentional -- they are just the product of zoning and lobbying by local businesses. That something has been designed doesn't make it fake. Places with dense population are attractive for shops, places with good shop access are attractive to live in, and there's a feedback loop there. The degree to which that feedback loop has been spurred on intentionally sits on a spectrum.

For example if the apartment were entirely for show (not actually lived in) I would call that fake.

Re:Can the American mall survive? by treis on Monday September 12, 2022 @05:42PM (#32817414)
Downtowns are usually central and towns organically formed around them. These are usually in random places and tend to be islands isolated from the rest of the city.
Re:Can the American mall survive? by jhbadger on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:17PM (#32828223)
One thing that needs to be considered is these "fake downtowns" (or "lifestyle centers" as they like to call themselves) are generally owned by a corporation. So things that people might expect to be possible in a public neighborhood (hold a protest, hold a block party, etc.) may not be allowed because it's private property.
Re:Can the American mall survive? by RajT88 on Monday September 12, 2022 @12:58PM (#32813132)
The malls out by me which are dying are slowly moving to this model.

I think it's a great idea. There are plenty of working examples of housing/retail where people never have to leave indoors to get all their basic needs taken care of.

There's of course megamalls out by me as well, which are doing just fine and don't need to evolve. One is in a wealthy suburb, and has a shopping tourism industry which props up the local hotels on the weekends when business travel is low.