Just in case you weren’t aware, Google backed off and let the grandfathered plans remain for individuals.

I procrastinated my migration and it paid off!

Thanks - yes I did hear that, but sadly it isn't an option for me for some specific reasons

specifically: I moved countries in between and now they require entry of a credit card even though they would supposedly not bill it, but they decline all my credit cards (which they are not going to bill) because the billing country has to match the account country ... as usual the support options end in a dead end / python script etc. Which all just points back to, I'm dealing with a giant borg too big too care and moving is probably the right thing any way.

I'm not sure 'paid off' is the correct takeaway. Moreso, Google as an organization has no idea what they are doing, quite literally. Promising free forever, then trying to force you to pay, then giving up is not the sign of a healthy host. That act alone led me to move all of my consumer spending away from Google(mainly drive space and yt premium).

Do you have a link about the grandfathered plans? I added my card on file few weeks back when Google was incessantly mailing about shutting my account if I didn't upgrade to paid plan. Would like to know if it was unnecessary

I came across this discussion and was shocked as well. Turns out there's now a button here: https://support.google.com/a/answer/2855120?product_name=Unu...

"I used my account for personal use"

Thanks very much for pointing this out. Really annoying, although not surprising, that I had to read this on a four-deep HN comment rather than this being flagged by Google.

Hm, doesnt work for me unfortunately. it wants me to login but then only allows me to confirm the "Business Starter" Workspace it automatically selected.

I think that's correct. It should be free though.

Thanks for this!

I started using it solely for a personal domain email, $1 a month, solid deal.

Eventually ended up using a bunch of its business features in time and moved the company email over, they hoovered me up real good.

I moved one family member onto Zoho.

It has been a very positive experience so far.

You get an office system as part of the package.

Some cases of the spam filter being too aggressive.

I'd move myself if I wasn't so addicted to FastMail's beautiful web+mobile apps.

I love Fastmail. Switched earlier this year & now I don't lose sleep about my email maybe getting canceled.

I only have to keep an eye on what fresh authoritarian nightmares the Australian government is up to.

Not the worst thing ever, but it does seem all Western jurisdictions are ticking time bombs, and thanks to Five Eyes you're at the discretion of the worst one.

It's sad but this definitely was one of the factors (by far not the only one, probably not even the main one, however still significant) that dissuaded me from moving to FastMail.

Care to elaborate other factors?

> all Western jurisdictions are ticking time bombs

I'd consider anything based in the EU to at least be a step above anywhere 5eyes. They at least make an effort towards data privacy.

You’re not wrong. I have to assume that someone is able to access & read my email if I’m not hosting it myself in my own home on my own hardware. Trade offs…

I sympathize with you. I'm not self hosting but I'm not using Gmail which is what most of the people I know or work with are using. And yet Google could read most of my mail by looking at the mailboxes of the people I'm exchanging mail with. And the company running the SMTP and POP3 servers I use could read all my messages. I guess you are as safe from snooping as I am.

Hello, Glad to know about your liking towards Zoho and We strive to make it even better for you everyday. Regarding the Spam filter, we do have customisations available in Spam Control which can be set as your prefer for your account/Organisation. Hence, it would be of much help if you could share more details about the Spam Filtering concern you have mentioned, as an email to support<at>zohomail<dot>com. We will have it analysed and suggest the best solution possible. Looking forward to hear from you.

Regards, Zoho Mail Team

I use Zoho Invoice for creating and sending invoices to my clients and it works well for my purpose.

Oh interesting I wasn’t aware they had an invoice service.

Same, and wish I had sooner. Really slick mobile app, and great spam detection.