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Re:Scientists found genetic mutations in every astronaut blo... by hedora on Friday September 09, 2022 @01:16PM (#32782121)
The article links to a Nature paper. Are you reading a different paper?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-03777-z.pdf

This is the closest thing I can find to a reference to a control in the first two paragraphs. The figures also suggest they did not have a control, so the use of the phrase “elevated rates” is baseless:

> Considering baseline genetic and extrinsic variability, the development of tools that permit the assessment of individual genetic susceptibility would improve risk stratification and long-term clinical management.

If funded, that still wouldn’t be a reasonable control.

Maybe I’m missing a key sentence or something, but I’ve read the paper, and it seems to boil down to:

“Mutations are bad, and this expensive piece of equipment measures mutations, so we stuck expensive astronaut blood in it, and the gauge pointed to a non-zero number”.

Re:Scientists found genetic mutations in every astronaut blo... by michaericalribo on Friday September 09, 2022 @01:43PM (#32782486)
Later:

> Variants (SNP/ InDel) generated with this method were compared with a normal dataset using Archer’s analysis pipeline to distinguish noise from a true call. The normal dataset was created with sequencing data from seven young, healthy individuals.

Re:Scientists found genetic mutations in every astronaut blo... by hedora on Friday September 09, 2022 @03:41PM (#32783936)
Archer's analysis pipeline isn't a well defined statistical test. It's a UI that browses results from the type of machine they used:

https://www.enzymatics.com/news/archer-analysis-pipeline-upd...

They filtered the results with various p-values < 0.01. Their supplementary data:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-03777-z#Sec9

doesn't say how many samples the machine produced in the first place, but it does say the filter resulted in 35 hits. That tells us absolutely nothing about the rate of mutations in the astronauts vs the general population, or even if astronauts produce more novel mutations on average vs. the general population.

On top of that, they seem to have the data to answer these questions, but don't report it anywhere:

Do zero-mission astronauts also show a "true call" in Archer's analysis pipeline?

They ran multiple samples from the same astronauts (before and after missions). On average, does the same astronaut have more/more-novel mutations after each mission?

These would require additional experiments or data, but seem obvious to check:

Do they have unusually high or low numbers of mutations vs. the general population at the same age?

If so, grouping the general population sample, what other professions also show a "true call" according to the pipeline?

Re:Scientists found genetic mutations in every astronaut blo... by gus_massa on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:45PM (#32783306)
From the article:

> in this astronaut cohort (median age 44 years, range 37–67),

I'd like to see also a comparison with 7 normal persons with ~45 years old. How many mutations is the expected value for a ~45 years old person?

Re:Scientists found genetic mutations in every astronaut blo... by carbocation on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:35PM (#32783176)
Would have been nice to see a comparison to alternates who were otherwise qualified but did not fly shuttles.
Re:Scientists found genetic mutations in every astronaut blo... by xyzzy123 on Saturday September 10, 2022 @02:03AM (#32788230)
Seems weird, but if they had actually done that (much better) experiment (which has a moderate to high chance of detecting no meaningful difference) it's quite likely the result would not be "interesting" enough to be published in a major journal.
Re:Scientists found genetic mutations in every astronaut blo... by T67521875293 on Saturday September 10, 2022 @03:16AM (#32788574)
With identical twins, one of each pair gets to fly, the other stays on the ground. They could also look for time dilation effects ;)