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Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by yamtaddle on Friday September 09, 2022 @01:11PM (#32782017)
When did we decide the only people who could be CEOs had to be blessed with magic CEO-dust or whatever, and must be showered with cash because there aren't enough people so-dusted and they're apparently impossible to train unless they've had just the right pedigree from birth? Is there really no-one at the company who could do the job and would be happy to take a promotion and a "mere" $1M salary? It's not fucking brain surgery, normal people can figure it out, and they used to. It's just a job.

In Mozilla's case especially, such a gamble ("gamble"—I really don't think it's that out-there) seems eminently worth it, since they've been treading water at best for over a decade. What's the worst that can happen? They fail? Already happening.

I suspect this entire trend (across the economy, not just at Mozilla) is due to some combo of our modern intense aversion for taking responsibility for anything whatsoever, and pervasive self-dealing in the management class. Board won't replace the "right" kind of person with the "wrong" kind because it's Simply Not Done—why, if anyone in the top half of the intelligence bell curve and an OK work ethic could do their jobs with just a little experience and training, they might no longer command such insane salaries! Can't have that.

But, I'm open to the possibility that it did in fact become unworkable, for some reason I don't know about, to just train people into these positions as-needed, and in fact we do have to pay stupid amounts of money to a tiny, incestuous c-suite class who are the only possible candidates for these roles, or else everything will fall apart.

Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by tmpz22 on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:00PM (#32782712)
You don't have to hand wave a CEO as just magic dust. At least on paper the CEO is there for their ability to network at the highest of levels whether that is to recruit other executives, raise capital, predict global strategy, whatever.

Its all still horse shit, but if you want to tear down the American CEO institution you have to understand their first and primary argument is that they can still do things others can't, because they're (reportedly) in those smoke filled room where "big deals get done".

Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by yamtaddle on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:13PM (#32782897)
> Its all still horse shit, but if you want to tear down the American CEO institution you have to understand their first and primary argument is that they can still do things others can't, because they're (reportedly) in those smoke filled room where "big deals get done".

Sure—and I'm serious that I'm open to the possibility that something actually did change about the business landscape for non-shitty (i.e. not corruption or principal-agent-problem) reasons such that it's in fact true that there's a big advantage to hiring from the small pool of acceptable CEO candidates that justifies giving them entire train cars full of cash, but it does seem to me like we didn't used to operate that way and things were... basically fine. Not that there weren't huge advantages to being in the "right" set, or whatever, as there has been in any time and place, but that it seems like for the specific case of CEOs it used to be more acceptable to train up existing employees, who didn't start their employment with the company somewhere in the top-exec echelon, into those kinds of roles, which behavior seems like it would act as a pretty effective relief valve on CEO comp getting out of control.

What's going on now sure looks like what would happen if the people in charge of hiring for these roles had a strong interest in keeping the compensation extremely high. But it's still possible there's something else going on, and there are good, non-corrupt motivations at work.

Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by tmpz22 on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:32PM (#32783133)
> it does seem to me like we didn't used to operate that way

I think that's nostalgia glasses. The level of corruption in SV seems no different to me to Wall Street in the 90s. People in power grasping community resources as their own is nothing new to humankind.

Its still worth being passionate about and rebelling against. While the general theme of the corruption may be similar its still eventful that it is occurring in new areas and in new ways (i.e. SPACs, ICOs).

Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by tablespoon on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:57PM (#32783423)
> I think that's nostalgia glasses. The level of corruption in SV seems no different to me to Wall Street in the 90s. People in power grasping community resources as their own is nothing new to humankind.

The 90s might be the wrong point to measure from. Isn't it pretty well documented that CEOs are getting paid greater "multiples" of average pay than they had in the past (e.g. they used to be paid 100x, now they're paid 1000x)?

Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by touch_abs on Saturday September 10, 2022 @04:13AM (#32788825)
Many of the things used to balance the scales in the past are no longer possible, historically if you owned a business, the workers (who lived in the same area, spoke the same language, and drank at the same pub) could unionize, or decide that they were going to compete with the original business. Now you have a generic international labor force, who dont trust each other, and have large legal infrastructures preventing them from directly forming competing businesses.
Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by yamtaddle on Friday September 09, 2022 @02:41PM (#32783254)
Admittedly, the "used to" is rather longer ago than the 90s :-) More like through the 70s.
Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by tablespoon on Friday September 09, 2022 @03:01PM (#32783480)
> I'm open to the possibility that something actually did change about the business landscape ... such that it's in fact true that there's a big advantage to hiring from the small pool of acceptable CEO candidates that justifies giving them entire train cars full of cash...

Even if there was a big advantage to hire from the same small pool of acceptable candidates, that's no justification for paying them "entire train cars full of cash." There's all kinds of scarce and valuable skills that are just as rare but compensation doesn't shoot off to infinity.

Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by badrabbit on Friday September 09, 2022 @01:23PM (#32782204)
Again with this sentiment, you're not paying the CEO. "We" didn't decide that, the people with the 3M decided that person's services was worth that amount and it is their money to spend or waste as they see fit.
Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by yamtaddle on Friday September 09, 2022 @01:40PM (#32782439)
You get that I'm using that a touch poetically, which is a common usage of "we" in this kind of context, right? I.e. "what changed such that this is now how society operates, even though it seems kinda worse than how it operated before?" I (obviously?) don't mean that we all got together and decided this, and that only a small set of probably-biased-by-their-own-interests people are the ones making the decisions is exactly one of the possible reasons for it that I highlighted, making it (surely?) even clearer what my post was about.
Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by umeshunni on Friday September 09, 2022 @01:50PM (#32782572)
Cool story bro. You should just start your own company and get a CEO and pay her $40k.
Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by MichaelCollins on Friday September 09, 2022 @01:51PM (#32782592)
> "Is there really no-one at the company who could do the job and would be happy to take a promotion and a "mere" $1M salary?"
Re:Google pays ‘enormous’ sums to maintain search-engine dom... by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Friday September 09, 2022 @04:39PM (#32784627)
I want to reserve my response until you clarify who 'we' refers to. I just do not want to assume.