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Re:CERN drafts plans to idle accelerators due to Europe’s en... by aidenn0 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:26PM (#32742751)
Let me know if you find something definitive. Figuring out this timeline shouldn't be as hard as it has been for me when you mentioned something contrary to my recollection...
Re:CERN drafts plans to idle accelerators due to Europe’s en... by danbruc on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @06:38PM (#32744103)
You are of course correct that Ukraine officially gave up the non-alignment in late December 2014. What I have to check is whether in late 2013 or early 2014 there were any indications that Ukraine might reverse course.
Re:CERN drafts plans to idle accelerators due to Europe’s en... by aidenn0 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @08:38PM (#32744993)
The Maidan revolution was certainly one such sign; it was about joining the EU, not NATO, but the two are somewhat correlated.
Re:CERN drafts plans to idle accelerators due to Europe’s en... by danbruc on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @03:44AM (#32747722)
Sure but I do not think that I would have seen Maidan in general as something that warranted more or less immediate action from Russia. Either I really got this wrong or I must have come across something more relevant.

I think it is fair to assume that in general the USA prefers Ukraine in NATO over a neutral Ukraine and that over one oriented towards Russia. In NATO there are at least some countries that preferred Ukraine remaining neutral. Even if everyone always says that it is a sovereign decision that does not preclude them from at least having preferences. But there is at least some evidence for outside influence to push Ukraine into a certain direction which goes beyond just having a preference.

I did a bit of reading yesterday but I have not yet found anything I consider strong enough to support my Russia reacted point of view. At least at this specific point in time, in general I still have no reason to doubt that a NATO membership was the desired outcome. So currently I really tend towards I got this wrong and I am mostly held back only because I looked into all this in quite some detail after the invasion started and that seems like a mistake I should not have made.