Re:Covid: Summary of lab-origin hypothesis
by arisAlexis on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @06:59AM
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Actually all of his claims are facts unless proven otherwise. Do you have proof that these facts (Wuhan playing with these viruses, funding etc) are not true or you would like them to not be true?
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Re:Covid: Summary of lab-origin hypothesis
by barnacled on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @07:02AM
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'Claims are facts until proven otherwise' is quite the take, I think Karl Popper would take issue with that.
I linked a thorough thread from a domain expert explaining in detail why the claims are false. These things have been addressed/debunked many, many times but still get repeated because the untruths get amplified and the rebuttals not.
Re:Covid: Summary of lab-origin hypothesis
by arisAlexis on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @08:29AM
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This is sophistry. The OP is stating facts. You are being "vague" by saying that these have been "debunked" relying on the long term "no conspiracy" theory which does really not apply in this case. This is a very clear Bayesian probability problem.
Re:Covid: Summary of lab-origin hypothesis
by barnacled on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @10:50AM
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No, you literally said 'all his claims are facts until proven otherwise'.
I am not being vague, I literally posted a link to a rebuttal thread.
This is why I don't post on hacker news any more.
Re:Covid: Summary of lab-origin hypothesis
by arisAlexis on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:08PM
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You guys are missing the point. Either you believe some unknown variable has zero probability or even if it is small you think ifs not worth discovering, for an event that is the most important since ww2. Is there proof of zero probability? No.
Re:Covid: Summary of lab-origin hypothesis
by forgotpwd16 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @11:15AM
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The "all claims are facts unless proven otherwise" is a wrong way to think about. You must prove a claim, not the other way around. What is perhaps better to say is that he makes no arguments but just lists observations (nitpick: therefore can be no such thing as rebuttal). As the commentary tweets don't call them wrong, we can assume they're indeed correct (thus nothing was debunked). That said, I'ld have preferred if he had correct citations such as the link to the Nature article.
Re:Covid: Summary of lab-origin hypothesis
by ubertaco on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @10:52AM
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I wonder if you take an "all claims are facts until proven otherwise" approach to religion as well, and if so, how do you reconcile the mutually-exclusive (but non-falsifiable) claims that various religions make counter to one another?