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Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by Andrew_nenakhov on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:35AM (#32733687)
What is the reasoning of people accusing a player of the OTB cheating? That he somehow (with the help of a computer?) got up to +3 at some point against said #4 player, but then decided to stop cheating?

If he is that 'bad' to draw a +3 position, how did he achieve this position in the first place?

Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by heydemo on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:55AM (#32733829)
Seems ironic to ask this on a post where a guy's cheating device malfunctions causing him to lose. There could be limitations which prevent him from cheating completely accurately
Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by Andrew_nenakhov on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:03AM (#32733886)
No, not ironic at all. Said device was extremely unreliable and failed to win even 2 games - while the person you accuse of cheating has improved from 2400 to 2700 in about 2 years. Pretty reliable cheating device he had, only to fail at the crucial moment.

Also, consider this: Nakamura knows that the position is good, but does he know it before he sees the evaluation, or after? Because it is a fact that when top player knows it is +3, he can explain why it is so good. But just looking at the board, without knowing the evaluation, he might have a very different conclusion.

Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by sweezyjeezy on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @10:22AM (#32737487)
I don't know about his game yesterday with Firouzja, but the rumor is that Magnus thinks Niemann got hold of his opening preparation before the game, which would put him at a huge advantage.
Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by searealist on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @03:17AM (#32733982)
This is not the point. The point was that he good enough to nearly beat the #4 in the world if he wasn't cheating.
Re:Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes by Andrew_nenakhov on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @04:13AM (#32734361)
Everyone has their good days and bad days. Elo rating estimates a probability of an outcome, and even with 2880/2680 it is far from zero.