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Re:All poverty is energy poverty by JumpCrisscross on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:37PM (#32728402)
> not having foreign-cuisine restaurants and not buying salmon from thousands of kilometers away. Cloth production should follow the same idea

These isolated communities exist. Their quality of life is lower. But anyone can join them. From hippie communes to Amish communities, Luddism has a long tradition in modern society. (I’m ignoring the ethno-racial undertone in implying there can be an objective arbiter of what counts as true local cuisine and culture.)

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by rglullis on Monday September 05, 2022 @04:12PM (#32728889)
The point is not in absolute isolation, but trading away some optimization in global economic output for increased self-resiliency. Yes, overall we would be poorer on average, but we would a lot less likely to see catastrophic events and a bit more equity among members of the same community.
Re:All poverty is energy poverty by JumpCrisscross on Monday September 05, 2022 @04:40PM (#32729173)
> point is not in absolute isolation, but trading away some optimization in global economic output for increased self-resiliency

You’re arguing for something reasonable. The commenter I’m replying to quotes Dugin and alludes to something resembling a hermit kingdom. (Attachment to birthplace. Going into the local industry, skills be damned. Blood thicker than water and no “foreign” food.)

This is a recipe for nationalistic poverty. North Korea and Russia are going down this path. They’ll be poor and uninfluential. But if makes them happy, as long as they keep it within their borders, it is difficult to advocate for a shift from outside.

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by sahila on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:54PM (#32730449)
> North Korea and Russia are going down this path.

While I'm not sure which side of the argument I stand on, I do think it's pointing out that even if certain societies / countries do do the things, they unfortunately bare of the costs of others' decisions. A third of Pakistan being flooded is more likely a consequence of the West's energy usage and not due to their own doing. So it's a global effort to make these changes or limited benefits are seen.

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by analognoise on Monday September 05, 2022 @09:49PM (#32731712)
"Yes, overall we would be poorer on average"

You first.

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by rglullis on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:05AM (#32733484)
Already did it, twice. First time by leaving my (relatively rich and comfortable) upper-middle class life in Brazil and moving to the US. Also have absolutely zero regrets about leaving the US and coming to Europe. Salaries are lower, the tax burden is greater and I'm losing the opportunity of "wealth" generation, but the amount of money I left on the table will never be enough to buy the quality of life my family and I have here.

Now, your turn.