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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by smoldesu on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:28PM (#32728286)
Maybe it's not my place to speculate, but I think the modern generation of TikTok queers and image-obsessed teens has completely forgotten that social media only gives them a platform because they profit off every like and view. If the shoe was on the other foot (say, they were trying to increase profits in queer-hostile countries) they would have no problem silencing your voice just to increase user retention. This already happens on TikTok, and I wouldn't be surprised if it also happened on Twitter and Facebook, to lesser extents. A sad allegory for the state of queer solidarity in 2022, I guess.

Again though, that's just speculation. You're absolutely correct that the consensus has changed though; the mindset has shifted from 'freedom through anonymity' to 'strength in numbers'. Neither thought process was particularly healthy, but the witch-hunting mentality of contemporary online discourse is bound to end at some point.

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by Mezzie on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:56PM (#32728662)
> Neither thought process was particularly healthy, but the witch-hunting mentality of contemporary online discourse is bound to end at some point.

Give it 10 years. Twitter will be the new Facebook. Only for old, uncool people.

I'm already starting to see the swing back.

Although it's fascinating how much the algorithms push this stuff. TikTok keeps trying to show me stuff about trans issues. I. Don't. Care. At least not on TIKTOK.

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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by UncleMeat on Monday September 05, 2022 @07:33PM (#32730744)
Of course corporations would crush queer people if it made them money. But defending KF won't change that one bit. The error is assuming that the people who'd treat gay people so badly would be swayed one bit by "well, we didn't get cloudflare to take down that forum full of bigots."
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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by smoldesu on Monday September 05, 2022 @09:41PM (#32731656)
I don't want them to be swayed, I want them to be able to speak their (wrong) ideas. It's fine if people want to spread lies about gay people, or even engage in hateful harassment campaigns. Homophobic violence is where I draw the line, but we have hate crimes explicitly designed for deterring and prosecuting these offenses. Everything else, in my opinion, falls under the purview of fair expression. Obviously Cloudflare doesn't have any obligation to serve them, but that's not going to stop them from continuing their harassment campaigns. It just pushes them onto more esoteric, resilient platforms.

The internet is balanced when the most radical of queer voices are given equal opportunity as the most radical traditional perspectives. I don't care how badly it hurts anyone's feelings, if we end up making this a personal crusade then nobody wins. Violence begets violence, and the cycle gets escalated even further.

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