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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by ajross on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:20PM (#32728188)
> Maybe kiwifarms is all people say they are

"All people say they are" is a site running coordinated harassment campaigns, including SWATing and bomb threats, though. Those are clear crimes. You can't seriously be arguing that CloudFlare or DDos-Guard or whoever shouldn't be allowed to choose not to do business with that sort of thing, can you?

Like so many others here[1], your perception thing seems to be based solely on your personal judgement as to whether the claims are true. But if they're true, it doesn't seem very controversial at all. And even if they're not true, it seems like the only party's judgement that really matters here (absent law enforcement, of course), is CloudFlare's.

[1] I admit I've been stunned at the general level of anti-trans sentiment in these threads. So many of these subthreads end in arguments like yours, which sound like they're trying to be arguments of general libertarian principle but end up falling into subjectivity traps.

Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by philippejara on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:50PM (#32728580)
My friend i've been trying to get some archive links or anything that shows any real evidence of swatting from the website, which seemed at the time to be completely open and freely archive-able and yet it's like trying to pull water out of a stone. Furthermore you have articles like the one from the AP[0] straight up saying: "They gang up on victims and pool their personal details such as addresses and phone numbers in a practice called “doxxing,” spreading vile rumors and targeting workplaces, friends, families and homes. Another favorite tactic has been “swatting” — making false emergency calls to provoke an armed police response at a target’s home. " Without any evidence of it anywhere, surely if a public open forum had been so infamous for swatting someone as to be described as "another favorite tactic" there would be a paper trail? And that's pretty much all the articles I've read.

I'm not even being given a chance to use my personal judgement to evaluate the evidence because there doesn't seem to be evidence?

My original post in this thread already addresses the matter regarding it being CloudFlare's judgment in the end.

[0]: https://apnews.com/article/technology-gay-rights-7d64f7b7173...

Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by juliosueiras on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @09:54AM (#32737147)
is more due to the fact that KF is born from the sole purpose of harassment(CWC) then move to harass more than just that one person
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by tsol on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:46PM (#32730388)
How have they won court cases over this? That's what I don't understand. They seem to be doing illegal things, and yet there's no legal recourse? Honestly it's just a matter of time until they figure out some way to make it work. They're still on TOR which is probably enough for their most dedicated members. A legal ruling could really tie their hands
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by curtainsforus on Wednesday September 07, 2022 @08:32AM (#32749728)
Individuals have sued them repeatedly and lost; the case I remember best is a woman called Melinda Scott. Here's an explanatory video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iqkpN9a6q8
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by jl6 on Monday September 05, 2022 @08:37PM (#32731179)
It is possible that KF content was cruel and abhorrent and yet not actually illegal.
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by tsimionescu on Monday September 05, 2022 @04:31PM (#32729079)
I have only seen a handful of anti-trans sentiments here, and those were quickly downvoted, flagged, and eventually deleted. Care to link to one live example in this thread?
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by foldr on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:45PM (#32729858)
I suspect linking is against site guidelines, but if you search for 'degenerate' you will find at least one example of a trans person being called such in an unflagged comment.
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by tsimionescu on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:19PM (#32730179)
It is not against site guidelines, as far as I know or have seen

Searching for "degenerate" on the page leads to a single comment for me [0], and that comment uses it completely impersonally:

> When I was a baby queer in the mid 90s, it was functionally impossible to talk to gay adults in person at all because the AIDS epidemic had convinced society that all gay people were dangerous degenerates.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32726080

Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by foldr on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:40PM (#32730345)
It's perhaps not against the guidelines per se, but linking to flamebait comments does tend to lead discussions in the wrong direction, and tends to be discouraged by mods AFAIK.

I'm not sure why your browser search is not turning up the other comment. Here it is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32729604

edit: Actually, the comment seems to have been flagged just now, a few minutes after I replied here. At least it is flagged now, I guess.

Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by tsimionescu on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:58PM (#32730478)
Perhaps there were some collapsed comments so that's why I missed it.

Still, I believe 1h for it to be removed seems decent time for moderation, especially in such a large and relatively flamey thread.