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Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by yanderekko on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:47PM (#32727745)
People who have threads on KiwiFarms have (allegedly) committed suicide. That's about all that's required to attribute each death causally to KiwiFarms. It's an incredibly weak standard.
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by squeaky-clean on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:19PM (#32728170)
KiwiFarms members often don't just take notes of those they laugh at. They actively get involved in harassing them, online, through the phone and in person.
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by yanderekko on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:24PM (#32728224)
So was this the case for any of the people who actually committed suicide in a way that establishes a reasonable causal nexus? My impression is that the answer is "no".
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by UncleMeat on Monday September 05, 2022 @07:24PM (#32730686)
Yes. KF has been explicitly mentioned in a suicide note.
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by yanderekko on Monday September 05, 2022 @07:37PM (#32730769)
Yes, but iirc the suicide note doesn't claim that the KF thread was leading to ongoing direct harassment that motivated the (alleged) suicide. Just that the mere existence of the thread played a role. So we're back to "if someone has a KiwiFarms thread and kills themselves, then KiwiFarms is to blame".
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by UncleMeat on Monday September 05, 2022 @09:10PM (#32731425)
If somebody writes about something in their suicide note, that easily clears the bar for "relevant for their decision making about their suicide" to me. What would the required evidence look like for you? Sworn testimony to a notary saying that it was KF and nothing else?
Re:Kiwi Farms is down across all domains as DDoS-Guard termi... by yanderekko on Monday September 05, 2022 @09:51PM (#32731730)
There are two questions here:

- Whether KF was relevant to their suicide

- Whether ongoing harassment from KF was relevant to their suicide

Unless one equates the mere existence to the thread itself with ongoing harassment then one can answer affirm the former question without the latter. The "required evidence" for the latter would require some sort of allegation that KF members were actively harassing Near at some point reasonably prior to their suicide, which afaik was just not alleged.