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Re:All poverty is energy poverty by ZeroGravitas on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:15PM (#32726660)
> especially if look at the market share of renewables in total energy which includes not only electricity but also heating and transportation.

You missed my point. If that existing non-renewable energy was used efficiently, like a Germany and UK that used heat pumps for domestic heating powered by the exact same gas they squander now in poorly insulated homes with a COP 1/5th what they otherwise could have, the energy would be enough.

My second sentence was that on top of that we could have had even more cheap energy if they'd not basically outlawed wind farms, the cheapest form of energy for the last decade in Europe.

"All poverty is energy poverty" remember? So why did the government's not insulate and use efficient heating systems? Why did they "cut the green crap".

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by PeterisP on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:40PM (#32726953)
I see your point, however, I've seen a lot of local renovation projects for energy efficiency and my conclusion is that while they should be done (because they're cost effective), that is the slow, long-term solution since that effectively requires reconstructing much of the housing stock, which is going to take decades - so that's not a plausible solution for any short term problems, filling the energy gap with more generation is faster.

I think our shared point there is that all these things require years of infrastructure buildup - there is some blame on why earlier it hasn't been done as much as it could be (while it definitely has been done a lot over the last decade!), and a good argument that it must be increased.

But as soon as we're talking about "energy right now" (let's be generous and say within a year or two) then we need rapid solutions, and "becoming energy efficient" is not one of these, that's for a 5-10 year scale even if we're optimistic.

A second point is that effective heating and insulation is a big factor for the relatively northern parts of first world, however, it's not really relevant for the huge "energy poverty" of the third world, where most of the population is in warmer climates. For them, avoiding energy waste is not sufficient, they simply need more energy (much of it "embedded" in consumer goods that they would like to get) to go beyond their current standard of living, which they rightfully consider insufficient.

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by ZeroGravitas on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:27PM (#32727516)
On Europe:

All the sensible responses to this crisis involved rolling out insulation in the short term.

REPowerEU: A plan to rapidly reduce dependence on Russian fossil fuels and fast forward the green transition

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_...

> Energy savings are the quickest and cheapest way to address the current energy crisis, and reduce bills. The Commission proposes to enhance long-term energy efficiency measures, including an increase from 9% to 13% of the binding Energy Efficiency Target under the ‘Fit for 55' package of European Green Deal legislation

A 10-Point Plan to Reduce the European Union’s Reliance on Russian Natural Gas

https://www.iea.org/reports/a-10-point-plan-to-reduce-the-eu...

> 4. Accelerate the deployment of new wind and solar projects

> 7. Speed up the replacement of gas boilers with heat pumps

> 8. Accelerate energy efficiency improvements in buildings and industry

> 10. Step up efforts to diversify and decarbonise sources of power system flexibility ("A portfolio of options will be required, including enhanced grids, energy efficiency, increased electrification and demand-side response")

What does conflict in Ukraine mean for UK energy?

https://eciu.net/analysis/briefings/uk-energy-policies-and-p...

> Despite not importing much Russian gas directly, a drop in global supply – Russia is the second largest gas producer (17% of global output in 2020) – will affect the international gas markets that impact the UK.

> As a result, bills in the UK (and likely globally) will soar because of conflict in Ukraine, potentially up to £3,000 in October 2022, (a £600 increase from previously expected levels). However, some doubt that bills will get this high as there are still significant data gaps needed to forecast future bill levels.

> Energy efficiency is an obvious near term step, as it could reduce the UK’s total gas demand by 7-8% and imports by 15% while delivering bill savings to households.

On Africa:

if they don't have the energy now, they need to build it. What is the cheapest available source of new energy? What is the best way to make that energy go furthest? None of these basics things are discussed, because tha article wants to shill for fossil fuels, and actively make these problems worse in Europe and Africa.

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by pbhjpbhj on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:16PM (#32727392)
Who had outlawed wind-farms and where? There are offshore installations and I see wind turbines everywhere in the UK.
Re:All poverty is energy poverty by ZeroGravitas on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:38PM (#32727647)
https://www.rechargenews.com/wind/uk-government-lifts-suppor...

> The UK is set to lift its controversial ban of onshore wind projects from government support, in a major u-turn by the ruling Conservative Party over a policy that sent new turbine installation figures plunging

Re:All poverty is energy poverty by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @11:51AM (#32738814)
Thanks for the link, but 'government choosing not to financially support installations' and 'installations banned' are very very different things.