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Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare by klibertp on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:35AM (#32712894)
> They were harrasing people to the point of suicide

a random person on the Internet said. Meanwhile, another random person on the Internet[1] said KF has a ToS that bans anything illegal from the site.

I was unable to independently verify either side of the report.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32712037

Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare by danielmalmer on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:03AM (#32713162)
By "random person on the Internet," do you mean a person who directly attributed their suicide to Kiwi Farms? Because that happened.
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare by kelseyfrog on Sunday September 04, 2022 @12:26PM (#32714720)
Once you realize that there is no bar to acceptance for some people, things become.more clear. Fully expect responses like, "this would require an rct to prove," in order to avoid all responsibity. The inside words these folks have is, "this is an acceptable loss of life for the position I'm willing to take."
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare by danielmalmer on Sunday September 04, 2022 @05:42PM (#32717969)
Absolutely correct.
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare by softcactus on Sunday September 04, 2022 @12:03PM (#32714426)
If you don't know anything about KF, maybe don't post? This is common knowledge to anyone familiar with the site.
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare by _hl_ on Sunday September 04, 2022 @02:17PM (#32715989)
This kind of comment is not useful. Enlighten us with your knowledge, or, if what you have to say is not better than silence, keep quiet.
Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare by softcactus on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:17PM (#32719087)
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

The article I linked has as many citations of primary sources as you could ever want.

The parent comment seeks to poison the well by casting doubt on the claims that KF is a hate site and pushed people to suicide. It is well-documented and there is no disputing it. Instead of "begging the question", just perform a quick Google search. That way you can:

1. Inform yourself. 2. Not cast a shadow of doubt on easily provable claims.

Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare by Beltalowda on Monday September 05, 2022 @08:20AM (#32723448)
Many people who have looked into the matter have disagreed with that take. It's fine to disagree, but slamming anyone down as ignorant is not constructive.

Furthermore, RationalWiki is hardly a neutral site, especially on matters like this. Specifically, some members have a long-running irrational beef with KiwiFarms (I used to edit there fairly frequently back in the day). That it includes information on the site owner's mom – who has no proven relationship with the site beyond that there's an account with her real name, which proves nothing – and that it links to an extortionist "mugshot site" for her proves that the article is not as "rational" as one might hope.

Re:Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare by softcactus on Monday September 05, 2022 @11:30AM (#32725385)
There are plenty of primary sources linked from that page.

> slamming anyone down as ignorant is not constructive.

It is when they are reducing it to a he said/she said instead of, I don't know, providing evidence? Begging the question is a way to reduce the credibility of an argument with zero evidence. It's far less constructive than my reply to it, but yet people have taken more issue with my reply.