Microsoft shoots down Google's Dart

Re:Microsoft shoots down Google's Dart by kodablah on Wednesday November 23, 2011 @01:25PM (#3271030)

Saying Dart needs Microsoft adoption is like saying CoffeeScript or GWT needs Microsoft adoption. They all allow JS compilation and the ability to use JS and be called from JS. Google will likely make an IE extension to run Dart natively anyways.

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Re:Microsoft shoots down Google's Dart by azakai on Wednesday November 23, 2011 @02:14PM (#3271278)

> Saying Dart needs Microsoft adoption is like saying CoffeeScript or GWT needs Microsoft adoption. They all allow JS compilation and the ability to use JS and be called from JS.

I'm not sure that is the case, because of the native Dart VM.

CoffeeScript compiles very straightforwardly into JS, with similar performance to normal JS. But Dart is significantly different, and the Dart VM could be faster than Dart-compiled-to-JS, both because (1) The Dart VM will be optimized for Dart in new ways, and (2) It isn't clear that Dart code will be extremely efficient when compiled to JS.

So CoffeeScript adoption needs no support from browser vendors, but Dart, if it is to fulfill its goal of being fast, might need the Dart VM. And that does need browser vendor support.

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Re:Microsoft shoots down Google's Dart by viggity on Wednesday November 23, 2011 @01:41PM (#3271115)

If it requires my users on a public site to install an extension, I'm not going to use it. case. closed.

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Re:Microsoft shoots down Google's Dart by eCa on Wednesday November 23, 2011 @01:47PM (#3271155)

What he said was that Dart will compile into JS.

Natively run Dart will (otherwise, what's the point) than the JS it can be compiled into. What I forsee is some kind of conditional that will allow Chrome to run the Dart code, and other browser get served the compiled-into-JS.

Demanding an extension installation is a no-go.

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Re:Microsoft shoots down Google's Dart by kodablah on Wednesday November 23, 2011 @01:45PM (#3271146)

It wont. No legitimate developer would replace JS with it if that requirement existed.

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