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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by _vvaw on Saturday September 03, 2022 @07:36PM (#32707650)
The part that’s missing here is that the people KF are fighting are on the exact same level. Keffals doxed the KF owner’s mom, lied about the mom being an active KF user and called for her firing:

https://archive.ph/15nHu

Keffals has called for SWATing:

https://web.archive.org/web/20220810180051/https://twitter.c...

Do you really think a KF user would SWAT a GOP Congresswoman in the middle of this fight over their DDoS protection, and the call the cops to identify themselves as a specific Kiwi Farms user (moderator “AltisticRight”), one who denies any involvement in this? To me that sounds highly suspect. We will likely never know the truth.

And here’s a box of the Internet pharmacy hormones Keffals instructs kids to buy and self-dose in secret, without medical evaluation or parental knowledge:

https://archive.ph/zZMRp

See “Homebrew”, first shop link:

https://archive.ph/K9hh4

Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by tombert on Saturday September 03, 2022 @07:45PM (#32707740)
I don’t recall defending Keffals as I do not know who that is, so I have no intention of addressing the first half of your post.

In regards to your second point, I don’t know. If it is the case that someone from KiwiFarms is SWATing people, and Null is ambivalent about it, then a world where KiwiFarms is tolerated is not one that I would like.

Considering how much of a jackass Null was in regards to Byuu/Near’s suicide, it really doesn’t seem out of character.

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Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by tombert on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:31PM (#32709186)
Let me clarify; I don't know who Keffals is, but I also don't care who she is either. Even if you proved that she was literally reincarnated Hitler, it would change nothing about my opinion on KiwiFarms. Destroying her credibility would serve no purpose to me, because my concerns in regards to the forum are unrelated to her.

I've been lightly following KiwiFarms for years now, have seen the level of bizarrely "proud ambivalence" exuded by Null for the actions of the forum members, and have thought that the site was a skidmark on society for most of that time.

Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by howinteresting on Saturday September 03, 2022 @11:16PM (#32709444)
That guide is a useful resource for trans people of all ages.

If your gender dysphoria is destroying your mental health and your parents will send you to torture camp for being on hormones, then taking hormones in secret is the moral thing to do.

Doctors not performing tubal ligations on women and other afab people under 30 is pure, unadulterated misogyny.

edit: responding to post by deepdriver below, SEGM is a torture-promoting group (yes, conversion therapy is torture) funded by dark money. https://transsafety.network/posts/segm-uncovered/

Oh, and also, if your gender dysphoria is destroying your mental health then focusing on fertility is just patriarchy. At the individual level, reproduction is a morally neutral act. Improving your mental health is a morally good act, so it clearly takes priority.

Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by _vvaw on Saturday September 03, 2022 @11:34PM (#32709551)
It absolutely is not. Children cannot consent to sterilizing medical procedures. Doctors are prohibited by law from performing tubal ligations on women under 18, and most won’t do it on women under 30.

The science on trans youth is evolving rapidly; the UK, Sweden, and Finland just severely curtailed use of blockers and hormones on minors due to the clear risks of harm and unclear risks of benefit. I expect the US to follow suit in a few years, once our current political fever breaks and the medical evidence remains. The Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine is a good place to review the science and track new developments:

https://segm.org/

Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by Elinvynia on Sunday September 04, 2022 @03:36AM (#32710760)
Linking an anti-trans organisation, nice [1]

[1]: https://transsafety.network/posts/segm-uncovered/

Re:Blocking Kiwifarms by _vvaw on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:04AM (#32712153)
Calling well-established science replicated over many years and large-n studies “dodgy” simply doesn’t make it so.