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Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by rvz on Friday September 02, 2022 @10:36PM (#32698093)
> It's not a failure

It is a failure.

Having 3 million registered users and only 192,000 using it every month in the end after 6 years is more than 90% of all users not using it. With those numbers, there is virtually no-one using the platform which explains why many continued to keep posting on Twitter, more than on Mastodon.

So it is still a massive and complete failure in almost every way.

[0] http://sp3r4z.fr/mastodon/accurate_user_count

Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by betwixthewires on Saturday September 03, 2022 @12:53AM (#32698858)
1) it's not a platform,

2) 192000 is the number for mastodon, there's a wider network that mastodon servers are a part of,

3) this is not some company like twitter or gab or whatever with quarterly performance announcements and user on boarding targets, it is software that works, works well and people use it. That's the criteria for "not a failure" in this case.

You know whats a failure? The corporate "unite the world by sharing ideas, a better world through freedom of information exchange" ideology and motivation of the founders of the big tech sites, specifically twitter. They have already proven this by abandoning it. They're failures.

Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by rvz on Saturday September 03, 2022 @09:08AM (#32701531)
> 1) it's not a platform,

It is a platform. The creator of Mastodon seems to think it is.

> 192000 is the number for mastodon, there's a wider network that mastodon servers are a part of,

That is the daily active user count of the entire Mastodon network and instances that have been online for long enough to at least have one user login once a week.

> this is not some company like twitter or gab or whatever with quarterly performance announcements and user on boarding targets,

Yet, out of 3 million registrants and only 192k use it. That is more than 90% of people not using it meaning that there is virtually no one using it on a daily or even weekly basis. That is a failure for something that has been constantly compared to as a 'Twitter alternative' or 'alternative social network' ever since its 1.0 or 2.0 release and each time Mastodon is brought up anywhere else other than Mastodon; like this site for example [0][1], Twitter, Facebook and online news articles.

After 6 years of existence, it really is a total failure and the denial, constant contradictions by it's supporters (it is a platform like it or not) and deflections underscores the low usage with a clear majority of users still running back to Twitter after a few days of using Mastodon.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17788060

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15514987

Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by pgcj_poster on Friday September 02, 2022 @10:54PM (#32698193)
192,000 is not "virtually no one." There are a about dozen sovereign nations with fewer people.
Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by rvz on Saturday September 03, 2022 @09:30AM (#32701729)
> 192,000 is not "virtually no one."

Yes it is, when compared to the total number of registered Mastodon users as I have mentioned from the start with "virtually" meaning 'nearly', 'almost', 'more or less', 'close to'. My use of the word could not get any more accurate and clearer.

192,000 of 3,000,000 is around 6.4%, where that is closer to 0 than 94% is, meaning that approximately 2,808,000 users are still not using it regularly after registration and after 6 years of existence, it has struggled with that ever since.

You can try to deny it. But the numbers don't lie.

Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by gargron on Saturday September 03, 2022 @02:11PM (#32704492)
Why the obsession with total registered users? Do Twitter or Facebook even publish that data? I cannot find it. Every number they use is based on MAU or DAU. Which is because the registered users number is quite meaningless. It just goes up over time. Spammers, bots, multiple accounts, banned accounts. No business or service has a 100% retention rate. Half a million MAU is not the scale of Twitter, but it's not nothing, and it's way more people than you'll ever want to have in your home feed.
Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by slater on Friday September 02, 2022 @11:42PM (#32698449)
> It is a failure.

It's not a failure.

Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by rvz on Saturday September 03, 2022 @09:35AM (#32701773)
It is a failure as I have already explained.
Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by slater on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:58AM (#32702463)
Sorry, I thought we were doing the "my opinion is the rightest, because i said so!" thing.

But no, it's not a failure. "low user numbers" does not automagically mean something is a failure, as others in this post have hinted at

Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by rvz on Saturday September 03, 2022 @01:37PM (#32704165)
> Sorry, I thought we were doing the "my opinion is the rightest, because i said so!" thing.

Except mine isn't an 'opinion' and is based on Mastodon's own statistics in daily active user numbers, registered users, user behaviour and the claims, and comparisons made at the time when it already launched and was pitched as a Twitter alternative, especially on HN. [0] [1]

Fast forward 6 years later, 94% of people registered are still not using it. That is virtually no-one, other than the tiny tech circles that even still need to post on Twitter since there is still little to no-one on Mastodon.

That is a fact; not an opinion.

> But no, it's not a failure. "low user numbers" does not automagically mean something is a failure

It is a failure and I have repeatedly shown that the numbers don't lie after 6 years of operation. If it is not a failure, then what I am seeing here is the complete denial of this failure.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17788060

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15514987

Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by betwixthewires on Saturday September 03, 2022 @10:04PM (#32708991)
It is absolutely an opinion. Your metrics are right, but "it's a failure" is absolutely an opinion. It's your opinion, based on what you place value on. Mastodon is not a failure to the 200k people that use it, it's a success to them. Thats their opinion, because they value different things than you.

"194k people use it, that's more than the populations of 20 sovereign nations! That's a success" has correct metrics, as correct as yours, but using that to call it a success is an opinion. Just like your statement is an opinion.

Re:Mastodon still can’t replace Twitter by slater on Saturday September 03, 2022 @11:38PM (#32709576)
I just don't get OP's "years have passed, only a few hundred thousand ppl use it daily, therefor it's an abject failure" stance.

Not everything has to be used daily by a million+ people to be considered a success.