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Re:USB4 v2 is also 120 Gbps by bastawhiz on Friday September 02, 2022 @04:23PM (#32695349)
But we make the up front cost trade-off at the expense of nothing working right. People buy cables or chargers that don't support the right level of charging. Cables work with some monitors but not others. Instead of paying extra for things that just work, we end up paying for impossible-to-distinguish hardware that may or may not work because of some flavor of the spec that doesn't work with the other piece of hardware you're trying to connect it to. A lot of that ends up being instant trash. Genuine, good hardware that is just incompatible is indistinguishable from badly made hardware: to the consumer they both don't work. And so we end up with waste and frustration in the name of saving a few bucks.
Re:USB4 v2 is also 120 Gbps by kevin_thibedeau on Friday September 02, 2022 @04:50PM (#32695563)
The charging situation isn't their fault. USB wasn't designed for it. Non-compliant devices started allowing charging before it was ever permitted. Then they added PD but nobody supported it and manufacturers cooked up their own ad hoc systems to detect a charger.
Re:USB4 v2 is also 120 Gbps by throwawaylinux on Friday September 02, 2022 @11:10PM (#32698274)
> The charging situation isn't their fault. USB wasn't designed for it. Non-compliant devices started allowing charging before it was ever permitted.

A standards body at least shares some fault when they move so slowly that real solutions have to work ahead of them to provide a demanded feature and things end up in a mess like this.

Re:USB4 v2 is also 120 Gbps by TillE on Friday September 02, 2022 @06:10PM (#32696282)
I don't know what you're talking about, everybody uses PD these days.
Re:USB4 v2 is also 120 Gbps by kevin_thibedeau on Friday September 02, 2022 @06:54PM (#32696643)
PD predates USB 3. Nobody supported it until it became integrated into modern USB controllers. Prior to that there were janky manufacturer specific resistor combinations used to signal the presence of a charger.